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I'll take a pistol for home defense, over any longarm, cause the longarm is not likely to BE there when it's needed. WEAR the pistol at all times and not only will it be just 3/4 second from firing at an enemy, but it will be where un-authorized hands can't get to it. Not true of any longarm . Just ccw a 1 lb pocket 9mm in a pants pocket holster, the same way you'd wear a pager and cellphone, never noticing the bulk=weight after you've done it for a day or so. You're 10x more likely to not HAVE the longarm than you are to have the pistol not suffice. As long as the attacker can SEE your pistol and your determination to empty it into his chest if he doesn't stop, and as long as there's at least 6 ft of space between you, the odds are 4 to 1 that he'll just leave the area, without your having to fire at all. If the ones that DONT, about half flee when MISSES come too close, too.
for foraging, or outdoor fighting, you want a sound-suppressed M4, with a .22lr conversion unit, so that you dont scare off the other critters, call in enemies. Often, the missed critter just sits there and lets you try again, if the bullet has not kicked debris onto him. The 60 gr BlackHills Nosler Partition softpoint makes the 223 every bit as much of a deer rifle as the 30-30 ever was and twice as much so as the Ky rifle ever was. You can reliably brain bigger animals with it, like moose and elk, at twice the range at which anyone can reliably hit their chests with an arrow. Bowhunters get within 40 m of trophy males of such species, all the time, under conditions of fair chase, so why can't you within 80m, by using jacklighting at night, bait, etc? Females and juveniles are both far more commonly found and much easier to take.
The shotgun is extremely limited in its effective range. At the typical indoor range of 10ft from the muzzle, the pattern is just 3-4" wide, so you can easily miss with it. Outdoors, the effective range of a typical riot barrel and 00 buck load is 25m and less. 20m and less if the guy is using cover, and gives you only his head as a target. Nobody practices enough to be much good with $1 per shot slugs. If you were so inclined, you'd practice 3x as much with the 223, and 15x as much with the 6c per shot .22lr ammo in the conversion unit. The 12 ga has lots of flash at night and there's no efficient sound suppressors or flashhiders for it. So the first shot ruins your night vision and if you lack hearing protection, it ruins your hearing, especially indoors.
The shorty AR, scoped, will snipe effectively to 1/4 mile. Using the 60 gr Aquila subsonic .22 ammo, it's BB gun quiet thru the 223 silencer, and only handclap loud without the "can". This is if you know to hold shut the bolt with your non-firing hand. 22 is still quite lethal at 100m, guys, and it can brain hogs, dogs, men, or average- sized black bears to 40m, if you hit the top of head, ear hole, eyesocket, nasal cavities, or temple.
.22 conversions are welcome at indoor ranges, high v rifles and shotguns typically are not. The shorty AR can be concealed in a backpack when it's taken down. This gun is also quite easy to use with just one arm. It will shoot thru soft armor, too.
The stats prove that you're many times more likely to be attacked while you're not at home, than when you're ensconced in your castle. So you need the pistol anyway. Unless you're a survivalist, the fighting rifle is just a plinker sort of gun. The shotgun is something a lot of people use on birds and small game, so they HOPE it will suffice for defense or shtf, but the odds are, it wont.
for foraging, or outdoor fighting, you want a sound-suppressed M4, with a .22lr conversion unit, so that you dont scare off the other critters, call in enemies. Often, the missed critter just sits there and lets you try again, if the bullet has not kicked debris onto him. The 60 gr BlackHills Nosler Partition softpoint makes the 223 every bit as much of a deer rifle as the 30-30 ever was and twice as much so as the Ky rifle ever was. You can reliably brain bigger animals with it, like moose and elk, at twice the range at which anyone can reliably hit their chests with an arrow. Bowhunters get within 40 m of trophy males of such species, all the time, under conditions of fair chase, so why can't you within 80m, by using jacklighting at night, bait, etc? Females and juveniles are both far more commonly found and much easier to take.
The shotgun is extremely limited in its effective range. At the typical indoor range of 10ft from the muzzle, the pattern is just 3-4" wide, so you can easily miss with it. Outdoors, the effective range of a typical riot barrel and 00 buck load is 25m and less. 20m and less if the guy is using cover, and gives you only his head as a target. Nobody practices enough to be much good with $1 per shot slugs. If you were so inclined, you'd practice 3x as much with the 223, and 15x as much with the 6c per shot .22lr ammo in the conversion unit. The 12 ga has lots of flash at night and there's no efficient sound suppressors or flashhiders for it. So the first shot ruins your night vision and if you lack hearing protection, it ruins your hearing, especially indoors.
The shorty AR, scoped, will snipe effectively to 1/4 mile. Using the 60 gr Aquila subsonic .22 ammo, it's BB gun quiet thru the 223 silencer, and only handclap loud without the "can". This is if you know to hold shut the bolt with your non-firing hand. 22 is still quite lethal at 100m, guys, and it can brain hogs, dogs, men, or average- sized black bears to 40m, if you hit the top of head, ear hole, eyesocket, nasal cavities, or temple.
.22 conversions are welcome at indoor ranges, high v rifles and shotguns typically are not. The shorty AR can be concealed in a backpack when it's taken down. This gun is also quite easy to use with just one arm. It will shoot thru soft armor, too.
The stats prove that you're many times more likely to be attacked while you're not at home, than when you're ensconced in your castle. So you need the pistol anyway. Unless you're a survivalist, the fighting rifle is just a plinker sort of gun. The shotgun is something a lot of people use on birds and small game, so they HOPE it will suffice for defense or shtf, but the odds are, it wont.
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Long story short... Appendix carry a firearm
OP wants us to hand in our useless rifles
and these ladies and gentlemen, are the statements of someone who's firearms experience comes entirely from video games and youtube videos.
well my non rifle holds 16 rounds and is nearby, so that alone makes it an good option over a scatter gun for me...I keep the others in safe
I am keeping both though....I think he would tell us rifles rule the wilderness
I am not so sure about that
I love the content though...it is like a beer bong serving of info in each post
Guns are good for business, any gun is great!
Shoot people because you’re disgruntled and you win!
Shoot people because you’re disgruntled and you win!
the experience comes from having fired 1/4 million rds, most of it for combat pistol competition, 150+ matches, including 3 US nationals and 2 world shoots, having killed many hundreds of animals, cast over 150k bullets, reloaded 150k rds (but lots and lots of .22lr) having spoken at length with top hands in the training industry. I have 100's of hours on the phone with Kenny Hackathorn, original pistol instructor for the Delta Force, over 50 letters from Jeff Cooper. I helped Jeff set up the rules for IPSC competition. I"ve read at least 100 gun books, 1000's of mags, 10 years worth of full time forums. I truly have forgotten more about guns and shooting than you'll learn if you study it for the rest of your life. I've had full time freedom to do so for 30 years, from the best in the biz.
I want everyone to get a real fighting rifle, with a silencer on it, and to ccw a pistol always and everywhere. Aint that obvious? If it aint, it's cause you can't READ. If that means getting rid of the toy guns, so be it. Do it soon, while there's still fools who will still buy them. You couldn't give me another longarm beyond the 3 that we have, or more than a couple more handguns than the half dozen that we have, if I had to KEEP them and care for them. It's FAR better to be highly skilled with 1-2 handguns and one longarm than to be half arsed with scores of them, which is almost always the case with anyone who doesn't cast their own bullets, load their own ammo and lacks a shooting timer, airsoft guns, membership in at least one gun club, that lets you fast draw and rapidfire, run obstacle courses, etc.
people are clueless about shot-spread, pellet penetration, weight/bulk limitations, noise, etc. Remember A=pi R squared? Typically, a riot barrel has 1" of pattern spread for every yd of forward travel of the charge. That means a 20" pattern at 20 yds. 20" diameter means a 10" radius. 10x10 is 100, x 3.14, is 314 sq inches in a 20" circle, Divide that by 9 00 pellets and you get 35 sq inches per pellet. A man's vitals have to be considered to be a 10" circle, cause he's just as likely to be sideways to you ((or head on prone, with a helmet that stops buckshot pellets) or crouched very low, etc. A 10" circle has just 78 sq inches. So you get at most 3 hits to the vitals, with pellets that are no more effective than lrn slugs from a .38 snub, which are notoriously ineffective, at a mere 20 yds. Yes, you can up this with the smaller #1 buck pellets and by using 3" shells, but the point is, shotguns have nothing like the effective range that people "think" that they have. also, your pattern won't be centered on the man. If you were going to take the time to do that, with $1 per shot buckshot, you'd practice 3x as much with a 223 autorifle. and 15x as much with the 6c per shot .22lr unit. The silencer makes the 223 every bit as "tame" as the .22 unit is without the "can" being in place. So .22 practice with the conversion unit DOES equal snap shooting ability with the silenced 223.
12 ga shells are 10 to the lb. So how much of each, birdshot, buckshot and slugs would you HAVE with you, eh? HOw to get the slugs into play, if you're loaded with shot? SLOW, awkward, etc. Make all that noise, post shtf and call in your killers? a 12 ga can be heard for a mile. Peop;le can run 3/4 mile in 6 minutes then be careful for the last `1/4 mile, taking 20 minutes to find your stupid arse. Anyone can recognize a shot blast from a rifle crack, and the shot gun says: "Hear I am and i"m stupid, come take my stuff, it will be easy".
Yes, you can waste $200 on specially tight choked barrels, but to make the buckshot effective at 40m, you have to have patterns that are just 3" wide at 10m, meaning that they are no help at all indoors. Such chokes often cause accuracy problems with slugs, too.
12 ga shells are 10 to the lb. So how much of each, birdshot, buckshot and slugs would you HAVE with you, eh? HOw to get the slugs into play, if you're loaded with shot? SLOW, awkward, etc. Make all that noise, post shtf and call in your killers? a 12 ga can be heard for a mile. Peop;le can run 3/4 mile in 6 minutes then be careful for the last `1/4 mile, taking 20 minutes to find your stupid arse. Anyone can recognize a shot blast from a rifle crack, and the shot gun says: "Hear I am and i"m stupid, come take my stuff, it will be easy".
Yes, you can waste $200 on specially tight choked barrels, but to make the buckshot effective at 40m, you have to have patterns that are just 3" wide at 10m, meaning that they are no help at all indoors. Such chokes often cause accuracy problems with slugs, too.
you cant even have a potato peeler in your country and you go to jail
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No wait if you wanna buy a shotgun; you can leave the store with it right after purchasing it.
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It's not his country. I know he likes to pretend to be a Brit but Throb is from New Jersey.
if you're stupid, weak and broke, that's true, and that probably is the case with the posters here. Me, I made my own silenced smg's, without licensing. Sold a dozen of them, for about 50k in today's money. If you've got 2k or so, you can have an AK and a Makarov almost any place in the world, or you can just make a crossbow and take them from a cop/soldier. Another 1k will get you access to a lathe and torch, which will let you make your own silencers, which let you practice without anyone knowing about it. The cans make guns SO much easier to use well, you can't believe it until you try it. So not nearly as much practice is needed.
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