Cain is the GOAT, oh wait Werdum is the GOAT, oh wait Stipe is the GOAT...

[Sheepdog]

Even the most retarded boxing fan doesn't use the same logic as your average MMA dipshit 'journalist'/fan. You don't just declare every new champ the GOAT.

There is a reason Fedor is the HW GOAT. 10 years, cunts. It's not that hard to work this out.

 

[Joemacka]

Lol at Fedor ever beating any of those guys.

 

[Papi Chingon]

Lol @Joemacka ever getting taken seriously

 

[Deleted member 1]

There is a reason Fedor is the HW GOAT. 10 years, cunts. It's not that hard to work this out.

9 years winning. Lost year 10.
DC has 9 years of wins now with his only loss to a guy that keeps pissing hot (tell me how Pride was full of steroids and I'll have to point to the lack of Fedor testing too). Only via an unlevel playing field can this not be a natural fighter comparison.



DC just beat the UFC HW champion. At this point Fedor was fighting part-time tire changer Brett Rogers.
At which point will Daniel Cormier surpass Fedor? Next year (year 10) with a win or two? Maybe Lesnar and Werdum?

 

[Ted Williams' head]

This is just the nature of MMA fans. They're an excitable bunch who jump to conclusions. There's a poster who was claiming Adesanya was an unstoppable beast who was going to blitz his way to the championship - after a couple fights in the UFC!

People anointing Werdum as the GOAT was just fucking ridiculous. Fedor was considered the best HW in the world for 7 or 8 years - this was the first time in Werdum's history where he was considered the #1 HW in the world, and suddenly he's the GOAT? What a joke that was.

 

[TheEmperorRises]

Who was the absolute best is a waste discussion, since we'll never get a definitive answer. Instead of saying '________ is now the GOAT', we should just say 'is now one of the all time greats'. Which DC definitely is.

 

[TheEmperorRises]

DC just beat the UFC HW champion. At this point Fedor was fighting part-time tire changer Brett Rogers.
At which point will Daniel Cormier surpass Fedor? Next year (year 10) with a win or two? Maybe Lesnar and Werdum?

Two fights before Brett, Fedor fought and crushed two former UFC HW champions, and after Brett he fought future UFC champion and fellow GOAT candidate Werdum.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Two fights before Brett, Fedor fought and crushed two former UFC HW champions, and after Brett he fought future UFC champion and fellow GOAT candidate Werdum.

The AA fight was legit as he looked good after Roach training. As was Werdum (who beat Fedor) and is why I suggested he a good mix for DC.

But Mentioning overweight Sylvias ancient credentials as a UFC champion? C'mon son.

So my question remains, what does DC do to surpass him. Fedor can't be goat forever just because. Length of wins has been the metric raised by the OP. Soooo....what does it take?

 

[member 603]

MMA as a whole now, is in a time period that is the equivalent of 1970's/1980's NBA basketball.... There had been some amazing players/teams at by that point, and some all time greats, but not the true golden age of the sport.

MMA is in the same place, the only difference is that I'm not sure that we'll see that ''GOAT" in a true golden age scenario in this sport for a while, due to the way fighters are marketed, and promotions are run.

 

[Robbie Hart]

There are no “GOAT” people in this sport yet

Need at least 40 or 50 years to start talking

 

[Deleted member 1]

but not the true golden age of the sport

You must have missed the CM Punk/Jackson fight.

 

[MMAHAWK]

The AA fight was legit as he looked good after Roach training. As was Werdum (who beat Fedor)

But Mentioning overweight Sylvias ancient credentials as a UFC champion? C'mon son.

I expect better of you

Tim was 24-4 with only losses to Nog, Couture ,AA,and Mir

Only 3 fights prior to Fedor he lost the belt. Then won a recognized #1 contender bout when they were real vs Vera. Then was beating Nog before he got choked. That Tim Fedor fought was in great shape not the bum he became after being destroyed.

 

[Silverball]

You must have missed the CM Punk/Jackson fight.

 

[sparkuri]

The AA fight was legit as he looked good after Roach training. As was Werdum (who beat Fedor) and is why I suggested he a good mix for DC.

But Mentioning overweight Sylvias ancient credentials as a UFC champion? C'mon son.

So my question remains, what does DC do to surpass him. Fedor can't be goat forever just because. Length of wins has been the metric raised by the OP. Soooo....what does it take?

Sylvia is the most underrated champion ever. Fedor obliterated him.
We can't talk about "overweight" when our two GOAT candidates are perennial doughboys.
What DC needs to do:
Stay at HW for two years, beat everyone in that time.
Then, depending on circumstances and opponents, we may have, finally, a legit new GOAT.
But seriously, Fedor was the baddest man on the planet, and still the most well-rounded hw the sport has seen.
1. Last Emperor
2. Black Emperor.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I expect better of you

Tim was 24-4 with only losses to Nog, Courure,AA,and Mir

Only 3 fights prior to Fedor he lost the belt. Then won a recognized #1 contender bout when they were real vs Vera. Then was beating Nog before he got choked. That Tim Fedor fought was in great shape not the bum he became after being destroyed.

Lol fair enough. You make some good points since I'm focused on Tim going down hill connected right to the time of Fedor, and you're rightfully connected to his past until that point... but I won't give you the "beating Nog until he got choked" as credit to Tim's prowess. That's literally how everyone falling into Nog's trap looks



So I still pose the same question... by the OP's measure, DC is neck and neck. Length and Quality of opponents. What does it take for DC to surpass?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Sylvia is the most underrated champion ever. Fedor obliterated him.

Almost as fast as Mercer did one fight later.

I do agree Sylvia was an underrated champ due to this lack of crowd pleasing style.

 

[sparkuri]

Almost as fast as Mercer did one fight later.

I do agree Sylvia was an underrated champ due to this lack of crowd pleasing style.

Remember when virtually no one picked Fedor to lose?
This is the BEGINNING of that.
As bad as the masses wanna pick another "UFC" guy to claim as "GOAT", again, give it two years, he has a shot.
Cormier is to Fedor what Kobe was to Jordan at this point, but he's on the right track, and there is no one today I'd rather see get there more than DC.

 

[member 603]

Remember when virtually no one picked Fedor to lose?
This is the BEGINNING of that.
As bad as the masses wanna pick another "UFC" guy to claim as "GOAT", again, give it two years, he has a shot.
Cormier is to Fedor what Kobe was to Jordan at this point, but he's on the right track, and there is no one today I'd rather see get there more than DC.

That is a great point, perception is reality, and in the case of Fedor, the perception was (and to a certain extent even today) that he, no matter the odds, would not lose. That's why it is still "shocking" and an "upset" when he loses fights today. His dominance against the dominant (and to @Splinty point, PED loaded) HW's was a thing of legend.

DC on the other hand is a guy who looks out matched in EVERY fight... And on paper, looks like he should have more that 1 (and 1 NC) losses on on his record. He's vastly undersized as a HW, too pudgy and slow for a LHW, and yet with all of that, has amassed a stellar resume.... However, since he's been the public opinion (and I believe... Not sure the actual) and at times betting underdog, this is what removes him, or rather diminishes his status in the 'GOAT' rankings debate.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

9 years winning. Lost year 10.
DC has 9 years of wins now with his only loss to a guy that keeps pissing hot (tell me how Pride was full of steroids and I'll have to point to the lack of Fedor testing too). Only via an unlevel playing field can this not be a natural fighter comparison.



DC just beat the UFC HW champion. At this point Fedor was fighting part-time tire changer Brett Rogers.
At which point will Daniel Cormier surpass Fedor? Next year (year 10) with a win or two? Maybe Lesnar and Werdum?

Fedor is HW GOAT, but the closest is Cormier, especially after last night. I have already said that the hardest matchup for Fedor was not Stipe, certainly not Cain that woudl be an easy win, not Overeem etc...but Cormier.

I don't think Cormier needs to go on the same run Fedor did, right now I think Cormier is arguably already no.2 alltime. If Cormier can defend this belt he won a mere 3 times, that will put him tied with Fedor for me, if he gets to 4, I may even say he is the HW GOAT. Right now he is sitting at 0 defense, but a very impressive win over Stipe, plus his other wins at HW.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

I expect better of you

Tim was 24-4 with only losses to Nog, Couture ,AA,and Mir

Only 3 fights prior to Fedor he lost the belt. Then won a recognized #1 contender bout when they were real vs Vera. Then was beating Nog before he got choked. That Tim Fedor fought was in great shape not the bum he became after being destroyed.

Truth

 

[tang]

Sport of MMA is too new still, that’s why it needs to go on for another 20 or more years to really be able to declare true GOAT

These accomplishments although some never been done, it’s still... like ... “you won 3 times? No, I won 1 time but 2times here, but I beat you that other time...”

Super silly

 

[MMAHAWK]

So I still pose the same question... by the OP's measure, DC is neck and neck. Length and Quality of opponents. What does it take for DC to surpass?

It’s just not that simple to me. I’ve said it several times that Fedor to me was the most dominant and complete mma fighter I’ve ever seen. He was also a heavyweight and the universality ranked #1 p4p fighter on the planet for roughly 7 years. That in itself is astonishing considering all we’ve heard in the last decade are small guys <185 like Aldo, Barao,DJ,GSP,Conor,and Silva. Now Jones May have reached #1 for a few weeks while Dana was promoting his fight. Just think about that for a second. The #1 heavyweight in the world was not only the baddest man on the planet but also considered the most technical fighter for the better part of ten years. To determine if you think DC is the greatest fighter you’ve ever seen ask yourself these questions.

Is he the most dominant fighter I’ve ever watched?
Is he the p4p best fighter on the planet today or ever?
If he losses to Brock will he still be the GOAT?

If the answer to any of those is no, I don’t think you should consider him the greatest fighter ever.

 

[jason73]

fedor did it all with monkey bars and kettle bells

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Arguing over the Heavyweight GOAT is like arguing over who the tallest little person is.

 

[Papi Chingon]

Arguing over the Heavyweight GOAT is like arguing over who the tallest little person is.

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