I watched it twice. Fedor Maldonado

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BJJMMA

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Ok so I was so shocked and well shocked I had to watch it again. First of all this wasn't a bad fight. Round 1 might have been the most entertaining round without an official KO all year. So for what it is worth here is what I saw.

Round 1
Fedor comes out clearly planning on eliminating Fabio quickly. Fabio's plan appears to be lean on the cage, weather the flurry, and catch Fedor exiting. And guess what? It happens. Fabio stands through a rough exchange and then a second and catches Fedor. Fedor is in trouble is clearly out twice Maldonado and pounding away mercilessly. Ref doesn't stop the fight (where was this guy on the most recent Belfort/Henderson fight?). Fedor works to his feet and then stumbles away. Fabio pursues and is clearly gassed. His punches continue catching the hobbled Fedor but have almost no lasting impact and lack the snap and power we saw early. Fedor is basically a stationary target the rest of the round. He does catch Maldonado a couple times with clean jabs and nice 1-2 combos but nothing of note except after one Fabio steps back and his nose is bleeding badly. I suspect his nose broke at some point around this time. But this round is clearly Fabio's round. If Herb Dean is in there is over quickly. Unfortunately for Maldonado he comes away from this round gassed and tired and in my non expert opinion with a broke nose. All keys to what happens next.

10-8 Maldonado

Between round. Fedor looks like ground beef. He is up off the stool first. Maldonado has Dr. working on his face. I suspect nose and that is definitely the case in between 2-3.

Round 2

Maldonado comes out quick and sticks Fedor in his right eye. It's almost swollen shut. Fedor gets him in a Thai clinch and clearly hurts Maldonado. After this Maldonado looks like a bloody mess. The rest of this round is marked by Fedor throwing combos and Maldonado slowing throughout. Fedor does go down but the punch doesn't appear to be the reason. He is circling and his feet slip out from under him. A short while later he falls in the same area throwing a kick. I suspect the mat is wet. Regardless this round is marked by some good striking by Fedor and slow ineffective striking by Maldonado.

10-9 Fedor

In between Maldonado is spitting up blood. His nose looks horrible and obviously hurts to the touch. I am confident it's broken. He looks completely gassed and is breathing hard.

Round 3

Maldonado looks pitiful. Fedor looks equally as bad if not worse. Maldonado basically does nothing but eat Fedor's labored combos throughout this round. His punches are slow and Fedor slips almost all of them. In the first two minutes there are 2-3 times it looks like Maldonado is done. It is Fedor's most effective striking since early in round 1. Why Fedor doesn't take him down and ground and pound is beyond me. There was a period of about 2 minutes where it's seems Maldonado missed everything he threw. Fedor lands some combos here and there but mostly commits to staying at distance and sticking the jab. It works. Maldonado rallies late in the round but Fedor sticks him a few times and he has to retreat. Every time he retreats he grabs his nose. Round ends.
10-9 Fedor probably his best round.

So basically I scored it 2 rounds to 1 but scored it a 28-28 draw based on the one sidedness of round 1. That said almost NEVER in any MMA league are judges unanimous on 10-8 rounds (see link below). So it comes as no shock that it's only a draw on one card. 10-8 rounds in themselves are rare enough much less in Russia when you are scoring against their most popular athlete.

Post fight Fedor looks bad. Maldonado looks bad. Maldonado appears happy to have went 3 rounds with Fedor. Fedor appears disappointed but then is laughing in the interview. I suspect this is the end of Fedor. He didn't look like a MMA fighter. He looked like a boxer. Had he incorporated some Sambo in this fight and took it to the ground I think he could've won it in the third. He didn't. He is too one dimensional at this point to continue. Though he could still probably easily avenge that Bigfoot Silva loss.
CSAC's Andy Foster: 'The difference between a 10-8 and 10-9 round is having adverse consequences on MMA fighters'
 

BJJMMA

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I should add this is probably the one fight most people will remember Fabio Maldonado for. Even though it was a loss he should be proud. There are clearly worse things to be remembered by than going the distance and beating the snot out of Fedor physically.
 

FadeToBlack

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I agree it was a draw. I disagree Fedor should retire. He still had snap on his strikes for 3 rounds. Also, he was using high kicks on Maldonado and leg kicks. Maybe I haven't watched many old Fedor fights and have forgotten, but I don't remember seeing him use those tools in a fight. For a 39 year old guy, he sure seemed to have some snap on his strikes.

Now, the negatives. He's sloppy too often. Hands down seemed to work well, except when it didn't. His jab had pop though. And he fought Fabio Maldonado. Not a good look. He'd get pummeled by Stipe.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Jan 19, 2015
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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Jan 19, 2015
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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Jan 19, 2015
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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
 

FadeToBlack

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I'm not doing that lame UG shit where I repost a multi-post and make this thread lame. Just delete those excess posts.
 

BJJMMA

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Fedor definetly started strong, but could put him away early.

When I saw it live I thought Fedor slipped in the first to get the beating started. I didn't see the shot land. When they showed the replay it didn't seem like a devastating shot. I guess he was coming forward and ran into it, but I think he has eaten bigger shots than that with no problem in the past. He got raped the rest of the round and ran out of gas, but was able to fight through. But to me it definitely looked like he doesn't have the same chin as before.
I remember thinking he slipped in the first too. I can't knock his chin too much. Coming back from that on the ground and eating what he did the rest of the first was impressive. I wonder if the surface was slick? I don't remember thinking that in other fights but might be worth a look.
 

Atto

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Very Well Written but bad news Fedor wants to continue fighting
 

BJJMMA

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I agree it was a draw. I disagree Fedor should retire. He still had snap on his strikes for 3 rounds. Also, he was using high kicks on Maldonado and leg kicks. Maybe I haven't watched many old Fedor fights and have forgotten, but I don't remember seeing him use those tools in a fight. For a 39 year old guy, he sure seemed to have some snap on his strikes.

Now, the negatives. He's sloppy too often. Hands down seemed to work well, except when it didn't. His jab had pop though. And he fought Fabio Maldonado. Not a good look. He'd get pummeled by Stipe.
Did he seem in worse shape for this fight than the Singh fight to you? I remember thinking in the RIZIN fight he looked better than I've ever seen him physically. This fight he looked fat. Even for a guy who made a reputation off beating people while looking a bit out of shape.
 

Atto

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Did he seem in worse shape for this fight than the Singh fight to you? I remember thinking in the RIZIN fight he looked better than I've ever seen him physically. This fight he looked fat. Even for a guy who made a reputation off beating people while looking a bit out of shape.
and I thought he looks slimmer than ever and not that chubby..
 

FadeToBlack

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Did he seem in worse shape for this fight than the Singh fight to you? I remember thinking in the RIZIN fight he looked better than I've ever seen him physically. This fight he looked fat. Even for a guy who made a reputation off beating people while looking a bit out of shape.
I can't say, but despite how fat he looked he was still snapping his strikes pretty well and he kept moving well, most of the time forward. I was actually really impressed with Fedor in the fact he looked in fairly good cardio shape. But this guy isn't a heavyweight, he's an overweight light heavyweight with some quick reflexes, loads of experience, a will to win and a chin that never goes completely out for more than one second.
 

BJJMMA

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I can't say, but despite how fat he looked he was still snapping his strikes pretty well and he kept moving well, most of the time forward. I was actually really impressed with Fedor in the fact he looked in fairly good cardio shape. But this guy isn't a heavyweight, he's an overweight light heavyweight with some quick reflexes, loads of experience, a will to win and a chin that never goes completely out for more than one second.
I guess I should say it this way. Fedor looked more "muscled" in the Singh fight in my opinion. Regardless of what his future holds I will pull for him, as I always have.
 

FadeToBlack

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Screw it. I still think he can drop Stipe, Werdum, Bigfoot etc.
First of all, Stipe is way more dangerous to Fedor than Werdum is to Fedor. With Werdum, Fedor just needs to pepper him with strikes like the first time and not chase him to the ground, UNlike the first time. It would be a game of punch Werdum and watch him beg for guard. After enough punches, the judges would either give Fedor a decision or Fedor would KO/TKO him. Am I off base here?

Then again, Werdum has been super active in the UFC since Fedor left, and that experience/conditioning might mean the sport has passed Fedor by. Or not. Fuck it, let's see the fight.
 

BJJMMA

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First of all, Stipe is way more dangerous to Fedor than Werdum is to Fedor. With Werdum, Fedor just needs to pepper him with strikes like the first time and not chase him to the ground, UNlike the first time. It would be a game of punch Werdum and watch him beg for guard. After enough punches, the judges would either give Fedor a decision or Fedor would KO/TKO him. Am I off base here?

Then again, Werdum has been super active in the UFC since Fedor left, and that experience/conditioning might mean the sport has passed Fedor by. Or not. Fuck it, let's see the fight.
I agree on all terms. I would say, based on what I saw, he can still strike with the best of them. His punches early in the first were brutal. He can certainly drop Werdum. Otherwise stand, jab and out strike.

Higher level guys like Stipe if he met him at some point he would have to go back to his old Russian Sambo ways.
 

wiz

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Fedor is a tough son of a bitch that's for sure. I dont mind him getting the win on paper because I want to see him in the UFC, but I think we all know that was the most obvious draw.

I hope this fight puts to rest the crazy claims that fedor would compete with and beat the top HWs in the UFC but I know it won't lol.
 

BJJMMA

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Fedor is a tough son of a bitch that's for sure. I dont mind him getting the win on paper because I want to see him in the UFC, but I think we all know that was the most obvious draw.

I hope this fight puts to rest the crazy claims that fedor would compete with and beat the top HWs in the UFC but I know it won't lol.
Nope. It won't. Because he is a legend and because the truth is in HW it is anyone's game any night. Heck Struve got a win against Stipe. The guys are so big. So strong. Literally anything can happen. That's why you don't see long title runs in the HW division.
 

wiz

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Nope. It won't. Because he is a legend and because the truth is in HW it is anyone's game any night. Heck Struve got a win against Stipe. The guys are so big. So strong. Literally anything can happen. That's why you don't see long title runs in the HW division.
Yes, you can say the same thing for any HW fighter. Gonzaga, Derrick Lewis, all of them.

Yes that's true anyone at HW has a puncher's chance, but I mean purely on paper, a lot of people actually thought Fedor could become the HW champion today because he's simply better than the top UFC HWs.. That's still a crazy claim even for this division.

Maldonado is a good fighter but he's not a top LHW let alone HW