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MMA.X

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Would you be happy with bellator , wsof etc ?
 

Malice

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I am fine with the UFC existence, but MMA has not been better with their monopoly.

MMA peaked in 2006-2007 when we had UFC, Pride, IFL, WEC and Strikeforce all going and competing with each other.
 

canofsticks

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I am fine with the UFC existence, but MMA has not been better with their monopoly.

MMA peaked in 2006-2007 when we had UFC, Pride, IFL, WEC and Strikeforce all going and competing with each other.
Peaked in what manner?
Because there are more events, more fighters, more revenue, more coverage, more fans and, globally, I'd argue more interest. But certainly it may have peaked in terms of number of quality promotions
 

Zeph

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If there was no UFC all those fighters would have to go somewhere, it isn't like they would cease to exist. I imagine with the backing of Viacom, Bellator would pick up the significant portion of those elite fighters, and then just carry on where the UFC left off. Bellator and WOSF have some quality fighters, but lack the serious depth in talent which is in the UFC, but with the additions of the UFC roster they would be as strong or stronger than the UFC.
 

FadeToBlack

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I am fine with the UFC existence, but MMA has not been better with their monopoly.

MMA peaked in 2006-2007 when we had UFC, Pride, IFL, WEC and Strikeforce all going and competing with each other.
Either MMA peaked then, or it was back when I was a newish MMA fan and the novelty of a full combat blood sport was more fresh for me than it is now. Well, that and we've also been inundated in more recent years with weak cards like the absolute shitbomb that is this weekend's Dublin card.
 

FadeToBlack

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If there was no UFC all those fighters would have to go somewhere, it isn't like they would cease to exist. I imagine with the backing of Viacom, Bellator would pick up the significant portion of those elite fighters, and then just carry on where the UFC left off. Bellator and WOSF have some quality fighters, but lack the serious depth in talent which is in the UFC, but with the additions of the UFC roster they would be as strong or stronger than the UFC.
But, but...what would we do with no TUF or BLAF or Reebok kits!???
 

Narcosynthesis

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The UFC kept mma alive when every other major organization was going bankrupt. They deserve credit for that.

I really don't care who the best fighters are signed with as long as the best fighters are in the same organization and competing against each other. As a hypothetical example, I don't want Conor in the UFC and Aldo in Bellator and they never fight just for the sake of having competing organizations.
 

Ted Williams' head

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Sep 23, 2015
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The UFC kept mma alive when every other major organization was going bankrupt. They deserve credit for that.

I really don't care who the best fighters are signed with as long as the best fighters are in the same organization and competing against each other. As a hypothetical example, I don't want Conor in the UFC and Aldo in Bellator and they never fight just for the sake of having competing organizations.
This forum seems to be very anti-UFC and anti-ZUFFA.

You can hate Dana and Zuffa but you have to acknowledge that they built MMA into a mainstream sport.

Maybe a lot of these haters came into MMA post-TUF 1 and have no idea how insignificant MMA was before 2005.

For MMA fans to say they'd be happy enough without the UFC is like a basketball fan telling you he'd be happy enough without the NBA. It's just retarded.
 

sparkuri

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The UFC kept mma alive when every other major organization was going bankrupt.
Other mma organizations didn't make it because, of the UFC.
Counter programming, slander...
I could ramble for awhile.
Anyone that's been in and around the industry(and pays careful attention)from the beginning knows how Zuffa monopolized the market by all means, legal and OTHERWISE.
And although history has been "scripted" in the short term, I believe it's a fact that in the long run, MMA as a whole will be shown to have taken a step BACK, as to what fighters and most die hard fans had hoped for.
Once it was introduced, there was no stopping it.
It only appeared to have been "saved".
Remember, NY sanctioned MMA without Zuffa, if only for a minute, because...?
 

Narcosynthesis

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This forum seems to be very anti-UFC and anti-ZUFFA.

You can hate Dana and Zuffa but you have to acknowledge that they built MMA into a mainstream sport.

Maybe a lot of these haters came into MMA post-TUF 1 and have no idea how insignificant MMA was before 2005.

For MMA fans to say they'd be happy enough without the UFC is like a basketball fan telling you he'd be happy enough without the NBA. It's just retarded.
It's just a case of the UFC being the top dog and therefore easy to hate. For many there is a need to see them embarrassed, humbled and possibly destroyed. It's human nature.
 

Ted Williams' head

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Sep 23, 2015
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Other mma organizations didn't make it because, of the UFC.
Counter programming, slander...
I could ramble for awhile.
Anyone that's been in and around the industry(and pays careful attention)from the beginning knows how Zuffa monopolized the market by all means, legal and OTHERWISE.
And although history has been "scripted" in the short term, I believe it's a fact that in the long run, MMA as a whole will be shown to have taken a step BACK, as to what fighters and most die hard fans had hoped for.
Once it was introduced, there was no stopping it.
It only appeared to have been "saved".
Remember, NY sanctioned MMA without Zuffa, if only for a minute, because...?
The UFC won because they had the better name value and the better product.

You can't say none of these orgs had a chance. A lot of them had BIG money behind them, secured BIG stars (how many of those orgs had Fedor under contract when he was the #1 HW in the world), and even had TV deals with BIG networks behind them. They dropped the ball and couldn't compete.

There are tons of reasons why each of those orgs failed that have nothing to do with the UFC.
 

Narcosynthesis

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Other mma organizations didn't make it because, of the UFC.
Counter programming, slander...
I could ramble for awhile.
Anyone that's been in and around the industry(and pays careful attention)from the beginning knows how Zuffa monopolized the market by all means, legal and OTHERWISE.
And although history has been "scripted" in the short term, I believe it's a fact that in the long run, MMA as a whole will be shown to have taken a step BACK, as to what fighters and most die hard fans had hoped for.
Once it was introduced, there was no stopping it.
It only appeared to have been "saved".
Remember, NY sanctioned MMA without Zuffa, if only for a minute, because...?
 

sparkuri

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The UFC won because they had the better name value and the better product.

You can't say none of these orgs had a chance. A lot of them had BIG money behind them, secured BIG stars (how many of those orgs had Fedor under contract when he was the #1 HW in the world), and even had TV deals with BIG networks behind them. They dropped the ball and couldn't compete.

There are tons of reasons why each of those orgs failed that have nothing to do with the UFC.

I think you're lacking a lot of knowledge in this area.
 

Left Hook Larry

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UFC still has the most hyped shows. Pretty rare for me to be hyped up for a Bellator/WSOF show.
 

Kinosis

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The fighters are what matters. As far as which organization put on the most exciting shows using those fighters, it was Pride by far. Pride was like a battle of the gods. The ufc is like backyard trailer park fights. If the ufc didn't exist, the name fighters would just be in other orgs.

The last few years have been the least interesting, worst cards in MMA history in my view. There have still been good fights, they are just spread so thin I miss entire events.
 

Ted Williams' head

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I think you're lacking a lot of knowledge in this area.
Well that's cool, I think you have an abundance of shitty info, but there you go. I'd love to hear what part of my post was factually incorrect.

If you want to boo hoo about UFC counter programming other orgs, be my guest.

Those orgs had all the tools needs to succeed, but for various reasons they did not. Sorry.
 

dacofty

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The UFC kept mma alive when every other major organization was going bankrupt. They deserve credit for that.

I really don't care who the best fighters are signed with as long as the best fighters are in the same organization and competing against each other. As a hypothetical example, I don't want Conor in the UFC and Aldo in Bellator and they never fight just for the sake of having competing organizations.
No Zuffa kept UFC alive, there was and will always be organizations featuring MMA.
 

FadeToBlack

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Certainly Zuffa built the sport of MMA into what it is today. Having said that, that doesn't mean that if they ceased to exist in 2015 that the sport would just fall apart. As others have alluded to, there are organizations who would just sign the best fighters and we would still be getting great fights out of these guys.

Same with the NBA, although sports leagues have proprietary team identities that would get lost in translation. That's not a problem that MMA has. But even still, the players would still find a new league to join. If the NBA went belly up, more than likely they would mostly join the same league anyway.
 

dacofty

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Dana kept the UFC alive. It was millions of dollars in debt and nobody wanted to touch it.
No sorry lorenzo and Frank kept it alive, dana was the big shoe clown that ran his mouth. Without their money you think dana would have been able to afford it?
 

Narcosynthesis

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No sorry lorenzo and Frank kept it alive, dana was the big shoe clown that ran his mouth. Without their money you think dana would have been able to afford it?
Dana was the one who found out the UFC was up for sale and he was the one who convinced the Fertittas to buy it. Dana saved the UFC and because of that forward thinking he is the catalyst for why mma is now a mainstream sport.
 

dacofty

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Dana was the one who found out the UFC was up for sale and he was the one who convinced the Fertittas to buy it. Dana saved the UFC and because of that forward thinking he is the catalyst for why mma is now a mainstream sport.
LMAO ok we will go with that excuse, now excuse me while i wipe my ass with it.
 

Bozy

OOHH YOU DIDNT KNOW!?
Feb 22, 2015
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I would have a lot more time on my hands. Might learn quilting. Or maybe pick up bat mitten.