General "We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence" - Dem gov

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Ted Williams' head

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So with a population of about 320 million, the whole country should be gone before the week is over. :D:D

Liberals can't EVEN.
 

Passive Jay

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I was eating lunch in the breakroom at work when this was on. As soon as he said that the assistant golf pro and I looked at each other and simultaneously said "Did he say 93 million?"
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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To be fair. It's as accurate as the other stats they use to support anti gun positions.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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So with a population of about 320 million, the whole country should be gone before the week is over. :D:D

Liberals can't EVEN.
He is a human speaking at a conference hours after a near massacre. Emotions were high. A reporter asked if he meant 83 million and he corrected to 93 a day, which is a sad fact
 

Ted Williams' head

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He is a human speaking at a conference hours after a near massacre. Emotions were high. A reporter asked if he meant 83 million and he corrected to 93 a day, which is a sad fact
Look at the legend libs made out of confeve. They accuse conservatives of politicizing events like terrorist attacks. They want it both ways: a radical Islamic terrorist has nothing to do with Islam, a Bernie Bro lib who shoots a Rep congressman has nothing to do with Bernie Bro libs... but when someone shoots another person they represent EVERY legal gun owner in the country. Makes no sense.

And that 93 figure includes suicides, justifiable homicides (self defence), and people accidentally shooting themselves (sorry, that's a Darwin Award). The number of people murdered with guns per day is much lower.
 

kneeblock

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Look at the legend libs made out of confeve. They accuse conservatives of politicizing events like terrorist attacks. They want it both ways: a radical Islamic terrorist has nothing to do with Islam, a Bernie Bro lib who shoots a Rep congressman has nothing to do with Bernie Bro libs... but when someone shoots another person they represent EVERY legal gun owner in the country. Makes no sense.

And that 93 figure includes suicides, justifiable homicides (self defence), and people accidentally shooting themselves (sorry, that's a Darwin Award). The number of people murdered with guns per day is much lower.
There is no they. There are no liberals. There are people who like guns and people who are afraid of them. It's politicized by industry mostly.
 

Rambo John J

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WTF
Real composed and educated argument buddy

My calculations show that americans will be extinct in less than a month

Geez I guess we do need to ban all guns
 

kneeblock

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This it true.



This is not.
The politicization of it stems from competing industrial elements with different objectives. The pro-gun element draws most of the wealth it uses to influence political campaigns from firearms and munitions manufacterers, alongside individual donors. The gun control element is mostly industrialists banking on cities and urbanization as the best way to increase their wealth. They tie gun violence in urban areas (rightly or wrongly) to lax gun laws and secondary markets that turn into shadow markets.

The pro-gun political lobby outspends the gun control lobby 12:1 and generally have more influence at the regional and national level. They've consistently used this influence to drive up gun sales due to perceived threats of legislative changes that ultimately fail to materialize. Gun control advocates, meanwhile, amplify their own messages through working overtime to frame the narrative through connections to the media industry. So most of the politicization of the issue, including tying a position to one party or another or one region or another is a result of corporate machinations.
 

Ted Williams' head

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There is no they. There are no liberals. There are people who like guns and people who are afraid of them. It's politicized by industry mostly.
It's fine to say that in theory, but in practice the vast majority of firearm pushback is coming from the left. There are a lot of libs who are reasonable with their stance on guns, some who are even pro gun, but when you look at the real "gun snatchers" (those who don't believe the average citizen has any business owning a firearm), it's no secret where there politics are.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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The politicization of it stems from competing industrial elements with different objectives. The pro-gun element draws most of the wealth it uses to influence political campaigns from firearms and munitions manufacterers, alongside individual donors. The gun control element is mostly industrialists banking on cities and urbanization as the best way to increase their wealth. They tie gun violence in urban areas (rightly or wrongly) to lax gun laws and secondary markets that turn into shadow markets.

The pro-gun political lobby outspends the gun control lobby 12:1 and generally have more influence at the regional and national level. They've consistently used this influence to drive up gun sales due to perceived threats of legislative changes that ultimately fail to materialize. Gun control advocates, meanwhile, amplify their own messages through working overtime to frame the narrative through connections to the media industry. So most of the politicization of the issue, including tying a position to one party or another or one region or another is a result of corporate machinations.
If the U.N. didn't openly have a disarmament agenda you'd be right.
 

kneeblock

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It's fine to say that in theory, but in practice the vast majority of firearm pushback is coming from the left. There are a lot of libs who are reasonable with their stance on guns, some who are even pro gun, but when you look at the real "gun snatchers" (those who don't believe the average citizen has any business owning a firearm), it's no secret where there politics are.
I think that's true generally when the dems are out of power, but when they're in majorities in congress, little gun control legislation gets passed.
 

Yossarian

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Statements like these are uneducated and filled with emotion. It doesn't need to be accurate, or even true. It's designed to rile up the people with similar emotions. This statement in particular seems to have gone a "little" overboard. It really exposes the political agenda behind it. The most effective politician takes on any subject, plays on fear/anger, and then claim to be an opponent of the cause of that fear/anger. It worked for Trump.

which is a sad fact
An alternative fact I hope? :)

Is the answer; we need more guns because of idiots like these, or, we need less guns because of idiots like these. That is the choice we get thrown on our laps. We can come up with many arguments for both solutions.

Having only two very contrasting options (like always) is part of the problem itself. It radicalizes people, especially when there is no compromise. We are programmed to go at each other and we never fail. Politicians are doing us a disservice by being part of the problem. Since the election, both sides have doubled down on their stance, it's like we have a bunch of children running the place.

This guy should be called out for his statement. If they don't like Trump doing it, then we must expect the treatment towards other public figures.
 

Leigh

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If gun control was demonstrated to reduce murder rates, they'd have a valid point but it hasn't. Therefore, rightly or wrongly, I view people who scream for gun control as hysterical, whiny bitches.

This guy obviously just made a mistake during his speech. We all make mistakes. His is just made funnier cos he's a hysterical whiny bitch.
 

benjo0101

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Look at the legend libs made out of confeve. They accuse conservatives of politicizing events like terrorist attacks. They want it both ways: a radical Islamic terrorist has nothing to do with Islam, a Bernie Bro lib who shoots a Rep congressman has nothing to do with Bernie Bro libs... but when someone shoots another person they represent EVERY legal gun owner in the country. Makes no sense.

And that 93 figure includes suicides, justifiable homicides (self defence), and people accidentally shooting themselves (sorry, that's a Darwin Award). The number of people murdered with guns per day is much lower.
The fact you dismiss the homicide as "justifiable" appals me. If there were less guns then the accidentally shooting yourself one is minimal to none, suicides shouldnt be counted you are right but it should be comapred to a gun controlled country per capita and see what effect it might have.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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but it should be comapred to a gun controlled country per capita and see what effect it might have.
In countries where gun control was implemented the suicide rates stayed static, people just weren't shooting themselves to do it.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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In countries where gun control was implemented the suicide rates stayed static, people just weren't shooting themselves to do it.
This is true plus South Korea has had the highest suicide rate on average over the last decade yet gun ownership is very low there and those who do own them must store them at the local police station when not in use. Suicide by firearm is very low, those bridges come in handy though