UFC 205 is days away. Conor McGregor is the Big Headline. So I thought I'd adopt Conor to advance the proposition in my thread title how Wonderboy will lose.
My proposition that Wonderboy will lose is not really my position. Honestly, I'm not smart enough or in direct contact enough with either competitor to go beyond gauging Woodely or Wonderboy through a computer screen. This is a flailing attempt to be clever.... when I'm not.
So let's get started since the conventional MMA social community has been relatively quiet about this match... must of been scared off by my karate textbook threads I've been posting in TMMAC's Fighter's Corner. Here goes.
First of all, a PREAMBLE. Wonderboy's sport-karate / kickboxing style has three (s) main elements, according to GUIDING karate martial principles. Nobody in MMA has realized what these are, though some have been getting "warm" in their quest. Now to be mean. I'm not going to tell you what they are. NOPE. There's been so much disrespect for karate tradition by MMA, mis-information... ya'll have to figure them out for yourselves. Of course like a good instructor, I'll help. All three elements are represented in the MCGregor KO of Aldo gif below:
As you know, Conor trains out of SBG under John Kavanagh. SBG believes in adapting philosophically what works from diverse martial art styles and blending them into a tactically strong & effective package.
Here, IMO, Conor has adopted the conventional sport karate style. In several ways. More importantly, employing a multiple of interlocking karate principles. The basically proper execution of this set of karate-like principles becomes then the undoing of Aldo's successful record of Muay Thai striking. Aldo's classic kind of MMA-close-the-gap gambit massive fail.
I'll skip a thorough rendition of the karate principles used by Conor, they are over in my karate-manual threads in Fighter's Corner. You know, the TLDR ones. I will say, "... how did that hand up, the right hand by Aldo up as a guard protecting his chin, how did that work?" Can't be 1-dimensional against karate, MMA'rs.
NOW, WHAT I WANT TO CENTER ON IN MY DISCUSSION. And this has been noted and talked about by many an MMA forum post. Jose's power left smacks Conor's head pretty good... to late for Jose. Karate kumite competition by design really reinforces that almost ain't good enough. Virtually counts for zero, nada officially & formally. So we do see a correct mindset in karate competition for competing in MMA, if one bothers to go beyond the superficial martial hype that got the Fertittas [sp?] $4.0 billion.
MY THESIS FOR A WONDERBOY LOSS: THREE (AGAIN) REASONS.
1. Woodley is extremely strong;
2.Woodley uses that strength well to create power.
3. Woodely has explosive speed.
The apparent conclusion then, is that Woodley unlike Wonderboy's previous MMA opponents, is uniquely qualified to surprise & overpower Wonderboy and either TKO him like he did Robbie Lawler; OR, take Wonderboy to the ground and out of Wonderboy preferred element, standing. Once on the ground, the considerable physical strength advantage of Woodley then becomes a very probable factor in manhandling Wonderboy's otherwise good technical ground skills (which frankly with Wonderboy, we have seen good evidence of).
I also judge Woodley of having greater tactical intelligence than your typical MMA competitor, such as Jose Aldo. Woodley's move from ATT to Rofusport a wise choice. Having said that... it's Woodley physique and outstanding athletics he's developed to apply that physique that would spell the undoing of Wonderboy. For Wonderboy, there is far greater danger in trading shots for x-number of rounds with a Woodley striker / wrestler than a with a MacDonald-like technical striker/ grappler.
I believe Woodley is in fact the ultimate test for Wonderboy as Welterweight Champion. Maia is also a tough test; the karate comeback is Wonderboy's striking standup is just superior to anything Maia can mount...IMHO.
So there it is. A presumption for Woodley win, by a traditional karateka. However, traditional karate is a thinking man's "game." Take a second look @ the OP Gif above. All the karate principles are there to expertly drop Tyron's explosive forward lunge & power strike gambit. Tyron attempting the same tactic against a truly skilled karate competitor will get dropped instantly. Why? It's the forum to answer... for Woodley to answer, it's for Roufus & Co. to answer, the pundits to answer. I've literally done it.
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Incidentally, I personally am not a fan of either SBG or Roufusport. I am more a fan of Wonderboy's style, Upstate Karate? Specifically how Dad trains Wonderboy, NO.
My proposition that Wonderboy will lose is not really my position. Honestly, I'm not smart enough or in direct contact enough with either competitor to go beyond gauging Woodely or Wonderboy through a computer screen. This is a flailing attempt to be clever.... when I'm not.
So let's get started since the conventional MMA social community has been relatively quiet about this match... must of been scared off by my karate textbook threads I've been posting in TMMAC's Fighter's Corner. Here goes.
First of all, a PREAMBLE. Wonderboy's sport-karate / kickboxing style has three (s) main elements, according to GUIDING karate martial principles. Nobody in MMA has realized what these are, though some have been getting "warm" in their quest. Now to be mean. I'm not going to tell you what they are. NOPE. There's been so much disrespect for karate tradition by MMA, mis-information... ya'll have to figure them out for yourselves. Of course like a good instructor, I'll help. All three elements are represented in the MCGregor KO of Aldo gif below:
As you know, Conor trains out of SBG under John Kavanagh. SBG believes in adapting philosophically what works from diverse martial art styles and blending them into a tactically strong & effective package.
Here, IMO, Conor has adopted the conventional sport karate style. In several ways. More importantly, employing a multiple of interlocking karate principles. The basically proper execution of this set of karate-like principles becomes then the undoing of Aldo's successful record of Muay Thai striking. Aldo's classic kind of MMA-close-the-gap gambit massive fail.
I'll skip a thorough rendition of the karate principles used by Conor, they are over in my karate-manual threads in Fighter's Corner. You know, the TLDR ones. I will say, "... how did that hand up, the right hand by Aldo up as a guard protecting his chin, how did that work?" Can't be 1-dimensional against karate, MMA'rs.
NOW, WHAT I WANT TO CENTER ON IN MY DISCUSSION. And this has been noted and talked about by many an MMA forum post. Jose's power left smacks Conor's head pretty good... to late for Jose. Karate kumite competition by design really reinforces that almost ain't good enough. Virtually counts for zero, nada officially & formally. So we do see a correct mindset in karate competition for competing in MMA, if one bothers to go beyond the superficial martial hype that got the Fertittas [sp?] $4.0 billion.
MY THESIS FOR A WONDERBOY LOSS: THREE (AGAIN) REASONS.
1. Woodley is extremely strong;
2.Woodley uses that strength well to create power.
3. Woodely has explosive speed.
The apparent conclusion then, is that Woodley unlike Wonderboy's previous MMA opponents, is uniquely qualified to surprise & overpower Wonderboy and either TKO him like he did Robbie Lawler; OR, take Wonderboy to the ground and out of Wonderboy preferred element, standing. Once on the ground, the considerable physical strength advantage of Woodley then becomes a very probable factor in manhandling Wonderboy's otherwise good technical ground skills (which frankly with Wonderboy, we have seen good evidence of).
I also judge Woodley of having greater tactical intelligence than your typical MMA competitor, such as Jose Aldo. Woodley's move from ATT to Rofusport a wise choice. Having said that... it's Woodley physique and outstanding athletics he's developed to apply that physique that would spell the undoing of Wonderboy. For Wonderboy, there is far greater danger in trading shots for x-number of rounds with a Woodley striker / wrestler than a with a MacDonald-like technical striker/ grappler.
I believe Woodley is in fact the ultimate test for Wonderboy as Welterweight Champion. Maia is also a tough test; the karate comeback is Wonderboy's striking standup is just superior to anything Maia can mount...IMHO.
So there it is. A presumption for Woodley win, by a traditional karateka. However, traditional karate is a thinking man's "game." Take a second look @ the OP Gif above. All the karate principles are there to expertly drop Tyron's explosive forward lunge & power strike gambit. Tyron attempting the same tactic against a truly skilled karate competitor will get dropped instantly. Why? It's the forum to answer... for Woodley to answer, it's for Roufus & Co. to answer, the pundits to answer. I've literally done it.
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Incidentally, I personally am not a fan of either SBG or Roufusport. I am more a fan of Wonderboy's style, Upstate Karate? Specifically how Dad trains Wonderboy, NO.
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I'd have figured you'd go for Wonderbro.
