5x5 vs pyramids?

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Passive Jay

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I have been doing a version of 5x5 for a bit now, I had a friend recommend doing pyramids instead.

She described it like this.

"You will do 10-14 sets for an exercise, for example 6 sets going up in weight then 6 sets back down. You want to start with a weight that you can do at least 20 reps with but exhaust before 40 reps. The heaviest weight set should be at a weight you can do only 1-3 reps with. Then do the same weights on the way back down. For example, shoulder press with weights 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 40, 35, 30, 25, 20, 15. All sets should be done to failure."

I have been doing 3 days a week with bench press, overhead press and bent over rows all three days, deadlift on monday, curls on wednesday, and squats on friday but when I asked her what her routine was she said

"I do 2 upper body days and 2 lower body days. Upper body, one day of a row exercise for pull, and a bench press exercise for push (one week flat, one week incline, etc.). On the other upper body day I do a lat exercise for pull and a shoulder press exercise for push. I do that split because it works the muscles in the same plane for that day. Legs I focus on hamstrings one day and quads the other.
I alternate upper and lower body days to give more rest. So this week I will do legs Mon and Fri, upper body Wed and Sun to work around my schedule. Had things to do Tues, Thurs, Sat this week so each week is a slight adjustment. But I always alternate between upper and lower and will never do 4 straight days."

she goes to a full gym so she is doing some lifts that I can do with just a weight bench.

What do you guys think of this and if you think pyramids would be better than 5x5 how would you adjust my current routine?

Or should I just stick with what has been working so far?
 

Passive Jay

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What is the logic behind doing that workout?

I am not sure, she started the conversation with

"Have you tried to incorporate pyramids in your workouts? That way you can build all 3 muscle fiber types."
 

Leigh

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I am not sure, she started the conversation with

"Have you tried to incorporate pyramids in your workouts? That way you can build all 3 muscle fiber types."
Maybe you should be asking her for more info before you fix something that ain't broke.
 

Passive Jay

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Maybe you should be asking her for more info before you fix something that ain't broke.

Lol, yeah I guess I was just going under the assumption that she thought it was a better method.

I would tend to want to stay with the routine I am on. Its a bit different than what you recommended but not too far off.

On the other hand a she is older than me and can do more pull ups than me so she is doing something right.

 

Leigh

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Lol, yeah I guess I was just going under the assumption that she thought it was a better method.

I would tend to want to stay with the routine I am on. Its a bit different than what you recommended but not too far off.

On the other hand a she is older than me and can do more pull ups than me so she is doing something right.

I can do more than her but you didn't listen to me. Why break that streak now?
 

Passive Jay

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I can do more than her but you didn't listen to me. Why break that streak now?
owch man! I did listen to you! You are why I am doing 5x5 in the first place! You are also why I dropped doing DDP yoga because it worked upper body muscles and switched to jogging because you had said i was working my muscles to many days in a row. Plus I am doing the lifts you recommended and dropped ones you told me were not needed.

I have not followed 100% of what you said but you are responsible for almost all of my current routine.
 

Leigh

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owch man! I did listen to you! You are why I am doing 5x5 in the first place! You are also why I dropped doing DDP yoga because it worked upper body muscles and switched to jogging because you had said i was working my muscles to many days in a row. Plus I am doing the lifts you recommended and dropped ones you told me were not needed.

I have not followed 100% of what you said but you are responsible for almost all of my current routine.
I'm just teasing you.

But don't switch unless you know why.
 

Combo

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Wanna get strong? 5x5, 3x5, 3x3, 10x3 or 5/3/1

Wanna look all muscley and shit? 8x8, 10x10, 4x15, 4x12, 3x10, 3x12

Want muscular endurance? Time under tension (45s to 60s per set)

IMHO, ALL of those above are THE ONLY routines worth doing. They're the gold standard.
 

BJTT_Pella

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Time under tension huh? HHHMmmmm. I know what Im gonna do different today. Cheers :cheers:
 

Combo

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Time under tension huh? HHHMmmmm. I know what Im gonna do different today. Cheers :cheers:
No probs, man.

It's a great challenge because you go past your usual rep range, get told you've got 20 seconds or so left and then BAM! The burn!

Great way to not only switch up your routine, but to grow and also learn how to pace yourself and learn the true meaning of eccentric lowering.
 

vermonter

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That's too much failure, especially on the way up. Skip the failure until you get to the last set or two, and limit the back-off sets to one or two and you have a pretty standard powerlifting routine.