BJJ self defense techniques

[member 603]

I know my man @Darqnezz started a topic a while back, but I wanted to start a new topic on this. This weekend I'm teaching 3 self defense seminars in the Orlando area, and I've been working with local law enforcement members and nightclub security lately too in close quarter techniques in removing non compliants and correcting their containment techniques to ensure they're non lethal.

Now I absolutely LOVE competition training (gi and no gi), and I dig MMA training too, but when I work with security teams, corrections officers, and LEO's on their combative and self defense techniques, it scares me to see how inadequate they are in them. These are the people in some regards who carry guns and are supposed to protect us, and they can barely protect themselves.... And it is SHOCKING.

Do you all practice your combative techniques? And do your school's and instructors offer classes to local LEO's and Security groups? How important do you feel it is to train in these techniques?

 

[SC MMA MD]

I know my man @Darqnezz started a topic a while back, but I wanted to start a new topic on this. This weekend I'm teaching 3 self defense seminars in the Orlando area, and I've been working with local law enforcement members and nightclub security lately too in close quarter techniques in removing non compliants and correcting their containment techniques to ensure they're non lethal.

Now I absolutely LOVE competition training (gi and no gi), and I dig MMA training too, but when I work with security teams, corrections officers, and LEO's on their combative and self defense techniques, it scares me to see how inadequate they are in them. These are the people in some regards who carry guns and are supposed to protect us, and they can barely protect themselves.... And it is SHOCKING.

Do you all practice your combative techniques? And do your school's and instructors offer classes to local LEO's and Security groups? How important do you feel it is to train in these techniques?

We generally do 3-4 classes a month that focus on self defense techniques, and a number of us roll with MMA gloves and strikes pretty regularly (we are part of an MMA school so finding guys interested in doing no-gi with strikes is pretty easy).
We have had a VERY low retention rate of LEO's in our program, and that remains the biggest mystery to me about BJJ students. It seems to me that it is a vital skill for an officer to have, but yet there are very few LEO's that train BJJ in the area. The few that we have managed to retain are fantastic partners, but for some reason we just can't seem to get most of them to stick around.
I have a friend who is an ATF agent, and he went away for a weekend to Va to learn some self defense techniques (mostly mount escapes and general concepts of framing/reguarding) and now he is the instructor for the area. He has ZERO interest in training to improve his skills, I can't even get him to come on the mat once. I just don't get it.
Personally, I think that training self defense and rolling with strikes is very important; but I have no issue with guys that see BJJ as just a sport and have no interest in the SD aspect.

 

[Left Hook Larry]

We generally do 3-4 classes a month that focus on self defense techniques, and a number of us roll with MMA gloves and strikes pretty regularly (we are part of an MMA school so finding guys interested in doing no-gi with strikes is pretty easy).
We have had a VERY low retention rate of LEO's in our program, and that remains the biggest mystery to me about BJJ students. It seems to me that it is a vital skill for an officer to have, but yet there are very few LEO's that train BJJ in the area. The few that we have managed to retain are fantastic partners, but for some reason we just can't seem to get most of them to stick around.
I have a friend who is an ATF agent, and he went away for a weekend to Va to learn some self defense techniques (mostly mount escapes and general concepts of framing/reguarding) and now he is the instructor for the area. He has ZERO interest in training to improve his skills, I can't even get him to come on the mat once. I just don't get it.
Personally, I think that training self defense and rolling with strikes is very important; but I have no issue with guys that see BJJ as just a sport and have no interest in the SD aspect.

Maybe it is their ego? They don't like feeling helpless and know it could happen in a real confrontation. I've never rolled with strikes before but i'd really like to learn that aspect as well as improve my takedown game. Even open hand slaps would be good so you know where you're vulnerable. I just don't put in the extra time it's more of a hobby for me.

 

[SC MMA MD]

Maybe it is their ego?

That is been my assumption in most cases. The sheriffs department does their shifts in such a way that it is nearly impossible for a deputy to train at our night classes except for their days off, but a few guys have made that work. It just seems odd to me that someone who is fairly likely to need to grapple someone to protect themselves would not be willing to put effort into it. There is almost no self defense training at our police academy- just some real basics and some competitive "fight" experience to give the cadets an idea of what a fight is like.
I have heard that the academy and departments don't specifically teach techniques because of potential liability if an officer injures someone later on, but I firmly believe that an officer who is competent in, and feels confident about, their self defense is much less likely to be involved in an excessive force incident since they can actually subdue someone without having to just spam blunt force trauma (I acknowledge that I don't have any data to support my supposition).

 

[Left Hook Larry]

That is been my assumption in most cases. The sheriffs department does their shifts in such a way that it is nearly impossible for a deputy to train at our night classes except for their days off, but a few guys have made that work. It just seems odd to me that someone who is fairly likely to need to grapple someone to protect themselves would not be willing to put effort into it. There is almost no self defense training at our police academy- just some real basics and some competitive "fight" experience to give the cadets an idea of what a fight is like.
I have heard that the academy and departments don't specifically teach techniques because of potential liability if an officer injures someone later on, but I firmly believe that an officer who is competent in, and feels confident about, their self defense is much less likely to be involved in an excessive force incident since they can actually subdue someone without having to just spam blunt force trauma (I acknowledge that I don't have any data to support my supposition).

That's a good point about the injuries. There was that case of a white cop using a chokehold on a black man and that caused an uproar as well. I felt like after a good 6 months of training they can at least feel the proper way to apply a submission without actually injuring someone.

 

[maurice]

My current BJJ school is 99% sport BJJ and 1% no-gi sub grappling. My previous BJJ school was 50% and 50%. Both schools do zero self-defense-specific training. Multiple members of both schools are LEOs.

At my current school, men, women, and children are expected to know how many points they get for sweeping to the mount, but they are not taught even a single technique that is not IBJJF approved for their age and rank. Nobody is taught clinch, takedowns, TDD, or how to deal with a person who is trying to punch you in the face. Also, nothing on the mental aspect of self-defense.

This isn't an issue for me personally, because separate wrestling, judo, and striking training is readily available to me and my kids. Still, I'm surprised that the program has been able to attract so many women and children without even a token focus on self-defense.

 

[RedDragonUK]

View: https://youtu.be/n0Eo74qbDww

 

[member 603]

Great video post @RedDragonUK..... Gotta keep practicing that self defentch

 

[RedDragonUK]

Cheers Rhino