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FrankieNYC

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As far as Brock/UFC
Sorry I was not clear
He still owed UFC fights, so he could not sign elsewhere.
But Vince would not let him sign to a contracted fight with UFC while under WWE contract.
So there was no guarantee he could fight with UFC when he did the DC angle in July.
So while he could only fight legally for UFC, he still was not allowed to legally due to his WWE contract.
So this easily could have blown up in UFC's face.
 
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As far as Brock/UFC
Sorry I was not clear
He still owed UFC fights, so he could not sign elsewhere.
But Vince would not let him sign to a contracted fight with UFC while under WWE contract.
So there was no guarantee he could fight with UFC when he did the DC angle in July.
So while he could only fight legally for UFC, he still was not allowed to legally due to his WWE contract.
So this easily could have blown up in UFC's face.
So he's under the same contract he fought Hunt on?
 

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the ufc is at a seriously weird crossroads right now. rankings mean nothing ,titles are worthless,interim titles can be stripped or awarded at will .the actual sport aspect is near gone but they are clinging to usada like it brings some kind of legitimacy . the ufc lost its budo a long time ago .there is very little traditional martial arts values or respect left. the quiet warrior gets passed over for the disrespectful prick. they need to either clean it up as a whole(never gonna happen) or go full pride fc and allow steroids and stop pretending they are something that they are not
Bravo, man!
Those are some sad facts, but you summed them up perfectly
 

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So he's under the same contract he fought Hunt on?
Same as Conor
They renegotiate every fight
UFC cannot make a fighter fight, even if they have fights left at X-amount per fight

When Brock "retired" he owed UFC fights.
So technically he could not fight anywhere else.
When he signed with WWE, WWE has a no compete clause for UFC, so for UFC 200, Vince had to agree & strike a deal with UFC as well.
This go around, Brock was free at Mania but signed an extension through tonight.
So he could not sign for any fight without Vince or wait it out.
Unless there is a last minute signing by WWE, Brock is free to sign a bout agreement Tuesday
 
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Same as Conor
They renegotiate every fight
Yeah I get the feeling that with huge draws like Conor and Brock, they renegotiate every fight as their value is always rising, and that the only reason the UFC has them locked under a multi-fight contract is so that they don't go and sign with another promotion.

Do you know how that would work with something like Conor's boxing match vs Floyd? Would the UFC add an addendum to his MMA contracts or would they sign an entirely new contract that included an exemption for the boxing match?
 

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Yeah I get the feeling that with huge draws like Conor and Brock, they renegotiate every fight as their value is always rising, and that the only reason the UFC has them locked under a multi-fight contract is so that they don't go and sign with another promotion.

Do you know how that would work with something like Conor's boxing match vs Floyd? Would the UFC add an addendum to his MMA contracts or would they sign an entirely new contract that included an exemption for the boxing match?
I'm not understanding the Conor/Floyd Q ... sorry

Do you mean was the Floyd boxing match a fight taken off his MMA contractual obligations?
If so, I would doubt it since it would be a different contract.
But you never now what was negotiated.
UFC could have said "We will do Boxing if you owe us 3 more fights" or similar
 
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I'm not understanding the Conor/Floyd Q ... sorry

Do you mean was the Floyd boxing match a fight taken off his MMA contractual obligations?
If so, I would doubt it since it would be a different contract.
But you never now what was negotiated.
UFC could have said "We will do Boxing if you owe us 3 more fights" or similar
I would imagine his contract pre-Floyd stated that he couldn't compete in any combat sport, so legally how do you think they solve that - by adding an addendum to the existing contract or by having Conor sign a new contract?
 

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I would imagine his contract pre-Floyd stated that he couldn't compete in any combat sport, so legally how do you think they solve that - by adding an addendum to the existing contract or by having Conor sign a new contract?
Combat sports are a non-compete in UFC contracts
Like Brock needed Vince permission to fight at UFC 200, Conor needed UFC's to fight Mayweather

It is only a legal issue if Conor tried to do it without them.

Conor & UFC had to come to a deal between them to allow him to fight Floyd
How that changed his standard UFC deal (or not) I have heard nothing on.
 

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Yeah I get the feeling that with huge draws like Conor and Brock, they renegotiate every fight as their value is always rising, and that the only reason the UFC has them locked under a multi-fight contract is so that they don't go and sign with another promotion.

Do you know how that would work with something like Conor's boxing match vs Floyd? Would the UFC add an addendum to his MMA contracts or would they sign an entirely new contract that included an exemption for the boxing match?
Now i want to see brock vs floyd
 

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Combat sports are a non-compete in UFC contracts
Like Brock needed Vince permission to fight at UFC 200, Conor needed UFC's to fight Mayweather.
So WWE is combat sports now? Look, just because they add rhonda to the roster does NOT allow them to change their status!
 
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UOTE="FrankieNYC, post: 1265983, member: 2844"]& who made a surprise return to WWE tonight?

A slimmer Brock with a beard.


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And what do you think this means?
 

FrankieNYC

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And what do you think this means?
I "think" it means he still hasn't agreed to fight DC as far as $$$ & wants a big money paycheck from the Australian supershow (from Vince)
Brock is a chess player with UFC/WWE.
Doing this might make UFC pony up what he is asking for.
 

FrankieNYC

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Here is the deal. WWE are doing another show in Saudi Arabia and they wanted Brock and paying big money, so they are getting him.
Still no agreement with UFC for a date with DC.
Its expected he will sign but with Brock nothing is guaranteed until he does.
 
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Brock regained the WWE Universal Championship today in Saudi Arabia.
Did Vince throw enough money at him to stay in WWE?
Will Brock be at 230?
Will Brock even fight in UFC again?
 

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This shit is destroying the sports aspect of the ufc.it is a straight up clown show
 

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I just saw that Dana said Brock will not be at MSG & did not look happy saying that
 

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This shit is destroying the sports aspect of the ufc.it is a straight up clown show
WME has been running the UFC like clowns for quite a while now.

They are a fucking Hollywood talent agency who value fighters primarily by their social media footprint. You can take shit like that into account when marketing people, but at the end of the day you still have to at least pretend to treat MMA like an actual sport where wins and losses matter. If you're giving people title shots who are on a losing streak and also haven't fought in years, if you paper your cards with Interim Titles that you take away a few weeks later because it's more convenient, if you sign fighters to title fights only to cancel them when a better one drops into your lap, you lose credibility with your hardcore fans (the ones that in-fact matter most). You lose credibility with your employees. More than that, you make all title fights mean less, and tarnish the aura that comes with being a UFC Champion, and that damages the UFC brand's drawing power across the board. On top of this you damage your already fragile credibility with the mainstream sports media, and that makes it harder to draw in new potential hardcore fans (I don't mean curiosity seekers, I mean die hard nerds like us who've followed this sport for years through thick and thin).

And if you pay most of your employees peanuts and take money out of their hands that was costing you nothing because you ban sponsors, and otherwise treat them poorly, you make people looking to make a career out of MMA think twice. You thin out the future talent pool. And you also lose existing world class fighters to other organizations.

This complete inability to see the long-term picture, or even the medium-term, it makes it a lot harder to be a fan of the UFC. I just wonder how they'll shoot themselves in the foot next.
 

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WME has been running the UFC like clowns for quite a while now.

They are a fucking Hollywood talent agency who value fighters primarily by their social media footprint. You can take shit like that into account when marketing people, but at the end of the day you still have to at least pretend to treat MMA like an actual sport where wins and losses matter. If you're giving people title shots who are on a losing streak and also haven't fought in years, if you paper your cards with Interim Titles that you take away a few weeks later because it's more convenient, if you sign fighters to title fights only to cancel them when a better one drops into your lap, you lose credibility with your hardcore fans (the ones that in-fact matter most). You lose credibility with your employees. More than that, you make all title fights mean less, and tarnish the aura that comes with being a UFC Champion, and that damages the UFC brand's drawing power across the board. On top of this you damage your already fragile credibility with the mainstream sports media, and that makes it harder to draw in new potential hardcore fans (I don't mean curiosity seekers, I mean die hard nerds like us who've followed this sport for years through thick and thin).

And if you pay most of your employees peanuts and take money out of their hands that was costing you nothing because you ban sponsors, and otherwise treat them poorly, you make people looking to make a career out of MMA think twice. You thin out the future talent pool. And you also lose existing world class fighters to other organizations.

This complete inability to see the long-term picture, or even the medium-term, it makes it a lot harder to be a fan of the UFC. I just wonder how they'll shoot themselves in the foot next.


Hey man
Meltz covered a lot of your post at this link

Daniel Cormier vs. Derrick Lewis is latest example of UFC watering down value of titles

The UFC championship is supposed to signify the best in the world at that given point in time. It’s supposed to be the ultimate goal for the athlete, and the focal point of the sport for the fans. Yet, in looking at the last few years, how could it be when the champions are regularly walking away, and even if they don’t, the UFC takes belts away for reasons of it being inconveniences to the promotion to have shows where the champions aren’t ready for various reasons, and they want a title fight.
 
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Hey man
Meltz covered a lot of your post at this link

Daniel Cormier vs. Derrick Lewis is latest example of UFC watering down value of titles

The UFC championship is supposed to signify the best in the world at that given point in time. It’s supposed to be the ultimate goal for the athlete, and the focal point of the sport for the fans. Yet, in looking at the last few years, how could it be when the champions are regularly walking away, and even if they don’t, the UFC takes belts away for reasons of it being inconveniences to the promotion to have shows where the champions aren’t ready for various reasons, and they want a title fight.
Since the podcast every time I read one of your posts this is all I think of.
 

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Brocks biggest problem is going to be the USADA testing pool..

hes in it for now, but every time he leaves it he resets the clock and has to do 6 months all over again before he can compete. So if the current WWE title run is going to be for a while so he knocks UFC on the head for a bit, he restarts that timer all over again.
 
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Hey man
Meltz covered a lot of your post at this link

Daniel Cormier vs. Derrick Lewis is latest example of UFC watering down value of titles

The UFC championship is supposed to signify the best in the world at that given point in time. It’s supposed to be the ultimate goal for the athlete, and the focal point of the sport for the fans. Yet, in looking at the last few years, how could it be when the champions are regularly walking away, and even if they don’t, the UFC takes belts away for reasons of it being inconveniences to the promotion to have shows where the champions aren’t ready for various reasons, and they want a title fight.
I screamed from the roof tops from the very beginning that WME has no clue what the
fuck they are doing in MMA nor do they care and will eventually turn the UFC into a complete joke.

All they care about is fleecing an industry for every nickel they can

We are witnessing vulture capitalism and the raping of an industry that took the Fertitas two decades
to build. I bet Lorenzo is legitimately disgusted with what they have done to the sport he built.

Atleast Lorenzo and Frank actually gave a fuck about the sport.

Fuck WME and Fuck Ari too...

Fucking sport killers






PS - Entourage was a shitty show too and Ari Gold is a faggit