General CEO: America Underestimates the Difficulty of Bringing Manufacturing Back

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Lamont Cranston

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The US has not been a producer county in a long time.

They are a consumer country.

With their buying power for the last 50 years at least they have pushed everyone else into supporting that consumption at cheap prices.
 

okiebug

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People like him will.be over taken in the market by people who figure it out. The best leaders adapt or others rise to the top to take their place. Black markets emerge in the most suppressed circumstances because people figure it out.
 

kvr28

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People like him will.be over taken in the market by people who figure it out. The best leaders adapt or others rise to the top to take their place. Black markets emerge in the most suppressed circumstances because people figure it out.
yep
 

Fan_of_Fanboys

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There are companies that make clothes and boots in the USA. Some of the best boots are here, same with knives and denim and several other categories. But they're smaller. And I think that's the best way forward. I don't want to see Levi here as much as I'd like to see 20-30 small independent companies start up
 

okiebug

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There are companies that make clothes and boots in the USA. Some of the best boots are here, same with knives and denim and several other categories. But they're smaller. And I think that's the best way forward. I don't want to see Levi here as much as I'd like to see 20-30 small independent companies start up
That's a really strong point. There are multiple ways to regrow manufacturing besides just relocating existing companies.
 

Chrit

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This is the thing that gets me...

Manufacturing output has steadily increased in the US. The problem is that manufacturing jobs have decreased due to efficiency gains.

This battle cry of bringing manufacturing back to the United States just doesn't work in practice. We will never bring back certain manufacturing with the cost of living in the states... the margins of even paying the US minimum wage would make it unsustainable.
 

okiebug

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the margins of even paying the US minimum wage would make it unsustainable.

This could be true as an isolated statement but countries like Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc., have managed to retain manufacturing and still maintain a high living standard. Wages are not the only factor in cost to produce goods. You have to be creative about economy of those other factors but other first world countries do it.
 

Fan_of_Fanboys

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the margins of even paying the US minimum wage would make it unsustainable.
In S Carolina our economy is driven by manufacturing

Per capita income is $35k but for manufacturing jobs it's almost $71k. And 30% of our jobs are manufacturing. We want to drastically increase manufacturing here.
 

Chrit

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In S Carolina our economy is driven by manufacturing

Per capita income is $35k but for manufacturing jobs it's almost $71k. And 30% of our jobs are manufacturing. We want to drastically increase manufacturing here.
And companies will never bring more manufacturing at $71k when the average monthly salary in Vietnam is $300 a month.

There is certain types of manufacturing that work here... but not all.
 

oblongo

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Yeah, we shipped all the low-skill, low-wage stuff overseas and kept the better-paying manufacturing her. I laughed when I heard Lutnick talk about. bringing the garment industry back to the U.S. My mom and all my aunts worked in garment factories and hated it. They only did it because it was the only thing around. My cousin works in an Amazon warehouse and even after adjusting for inflation makes a whole lot more than our mothers did and has much better benefits.
 

Fan_of_Fanboys

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And companies will never bring more manufacturing at $71k when the average monthly salary in Vietnam is $300 a month.

There is certain types of manufacturing that work here... but not all.
I guess you are right, that is why more and more companies are expanding and opening new manufacturing facilities and locations in SC and the USA


Those companies should have checked with you first to realize how stupid they are
 

Fan_of_Fanboys

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US Brick, Scout Motors, Eaton, Isuzu, Komar are just off the top of my head. All fucking idiots to open new plants or expand existing here in SC. They should just move to Cambodia
 

Fan_of_Fanboys

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bringing the garment industry back to the U.S
There is a huge market for that, based on the number of companies that currently do it and are growing. But I am not sure there is a market for cheap, disposable clothes. It won't be 5 shirts for $20 type, they won't compete with Hanes. But the domestic garment industry has been growing over the last decade.
 

Bushkill Blades

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This reminds me of Obama and his magic wand comment.

Shitty lens through which to view our nation.

It's like you tell a child.

Stop saying, "I can't". Instead ask, "How can I?"
 

Chrit

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I guess you are right, that is why more and more companies are expanding and opening new manufacturing facilities and locations in SC and the USA


Those companies should have checked with you first to realize how stupid they are
Those are all technology, highly skilled, or highly priced products.

I'm talking entire blocks of manufacturing for cheap products. Those are the ones never coming back.
 

okiebug

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I'm talking entire blocks of manufacturing for cheap products.
That's way too general and relative to have any meaning whatsoever. Cheap automobiles, cheap micro chips, cheap squirt guns, cheap tshirts?