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Mayweather vs McGregor Press Tour Next Week
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Apparently the first two stops are sold out of tickets. Something like 30,000 people are going to be at each one.
30,000 people for a press event.
Fucking insanity.
30,000 people for a press event.
Fucking insanity.
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Please let this fight just be a circus. I don't care about the result.
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Well, last year Conor drew 1.6 million buys. Brock has also previously drawn 1.6 million buys, 7 years ago. I'll let you figure out the details.
Jesus. It's funny that Conor fans get so much flack. Delusional as some of them may be, his detractors continue to impress.
Georges St. Pierre, who is either the 2nd or 3rd biggest draw in the promotion's history, was also on that card. You knew that though, but didn't mention it for some (obvious) reason. It also had the blowoff between Hendo and Bisping, which was very publicized, and it was UFC 100. Why did you pick the biggest card Brock was on, instead of the most recent card he was on?
McGregor-Diaz II sold 1,650,000 PPVs. Look at the rest of that card. Compare it to the rest of "Brock's" card.
I think there are details here to figure out as you alluded to, but I think you're confused as to which of us is unclear about them.
Conor's 2 biggest sells were against Nate Diaz who's a well known fan favorite. His next 2 were UFC 205 (the stackiest card ever) and his fight against Aldo (which had a 1 year long press tour leading up to it) Lesnar broke a million on 5 separate occasions and most of them were in 09/10 when the sport was nowhere near the popularity it is now. I've done a 180 on Conor, but it doesn't mean history changes. The UFC to their credit (you don't hear that very often) has done a great job of helping Conor grow his gimmick into what it is now. But don't kid yourself "The Fighting Pride of Moosejaw, Saskatchewan" is unquestionably more of a draw than Conor. Brock's most recent card collapsed in on itself in the week leading up to it, and it still broke a million buys.
Nate has the fans hearts, but he's never sold a card until he was attached to Conor. It's interesting that you're giving Brock all of the credit for UFC 100 (look at the rest of that card) but pretend that Nate Diaz sold 196 and 202 for Conor. Don't apply the popularity that Nate got from those two PPVs to this. How big of a draw was he prior to being attached to Conor?
Brock headlined 5 UFC PPVs, 6 if you count UFC 200 which was actually headlined by Tate and Nunes. He came over already superstar famous while Conor had to fight 4 times before he could headline a card. 2 of Brock's headlining cards sold less than a million (one was 535,000, which Conor could beat by eating a sandwich on a webcam), and one that he didn't headline had GSP at the top and didn't break 650k. Only two of his headlining shows broke 1.1 million and those were 100 and 200, which would have sold based on the number alone and were stacked themselves. Conor has headlined 5 UFC PPVs. The lowest of those was 825,000 and the rest sold well over a million, and now he's about to fight Floyd Mayweather for $100 a pop.
Conor's PPVs are gigantic events because whatever event he's on automatically becomes the biggest event of the year. 2016 showed that isn't the case for Lesnar, because Conor beat Lesnar's card three times in the same year.
I'm not saying that Brock isn't a huge draw. That would be ridiculous. Let's not pretend that the guy who has a press conference with Floyd Mayweather this afternoon isn't the biggest draw in the history of the sport, though. The story isn't told yet, and based on numbers and context I think Conor already has him beat before being involved in one of the biggest PPV events ever held in a month and a half.
Nate primarily fought on Fox cards and was never given the opportunity to headline.
I'm giving Brock's supporting cast the same credit I'm giving Nate. Which is why I didn't initially credit Nate or GSP with the total buys as we all know who people were paying to see.
Over a million was 205 (3 title fights on the card) The Aldo fight (year long hype tour) and 2 fights against Nate. That's unprecedented organizational support.
Are you referring to 100 or 200? 200 fell apart the week of the event as previously mentioned and Conor still hasn't surpassed the buys of 100. Unless you actually believe Dana's "adjusted" numbers.
It's funny because over his career Conor will unquestionably outdraw Brock, but in context it isn't even close. Brock never got the help Conor has been given and Brock was doing Conor's numbers almost 10 years ago drawing from a smaller audience.
You don't have to headline to sell, if you're a draw.
The difference is that Brock's supporting cast was GSP, the third best draw in the promotion's history (4th if you count Rousey).
Those other two title fights in 205 were Woodley and Wonderboy, who went on to sell about 3 PPVs on their own, and Joanna vs Karolina, and even though I love Joanna she isn't a very big draw in terms of PPV buys.
There wasn't a year long hype tour for Aldo. It was promoted for a year, but the tour was a lot shorter than that, and the fight didn't even happen leading into it. Once again, Brock came over already famous. Ask Sage Northcutt how much organizational support matters in terms of PPV buys. PVZ was on goddamn dancing with the stars and she's not selling PPVs. How exactly are those two fights with Nate indicative of the crutch of organizational support?
If you're going to talk about the merits of Brock selling by himself, why are you mentioning that 200 fell apart? It was still stacked, from top to bottom, and it had the number 200 next to it. Conor headlining would 100% have sold more. You can't dispute that, and the proof is in Conor's 3 PPVs from that year.
You're right, it's not close.
You watching the Conor-Mayweather press conference tonight or are you hoping that Brock shows up on Smackdown Live? One of them is about to make about as much money as the guy you call easily the bigger draw has made in his entire career.
and how many times did GSP break a million buys without Brock? Let's see, carry the 2, plus 4 and yup, zero. He broke a million buys exactly 0 times. Did he help sell some of those 1.625 million buys Brock had? I'm sure he did, just Nate as Conor's foil also helped Conor sell his 1.6. Conor's numbers are better when he was fighting Nate than when he fought the forever FW GOAT Aldo or when he was fighting to be the "first ever" 2 division champion.
Okay, it was heavily marketed for a year and included a hype tour. Better?
You still have to have people believe you can win the fights you're having in order to be a draw. I'd never deny that Conor is a talented fighter.
They aren't. They're indicative of people wanting to see Nate fight Conor.
Because even though it fell apart it still broke a million buys. Edgar imo, is one of the greatest fighters to ever live, but neither he or Aldo can draw money with a green crayon and DC against fat Anderson Silva (who they literally pulled out of the autograph booth) aren't what sold that card. It was Brock and everyone knows it.
We'll never know. 205 was a much stronger card that 200 and the other 2 ppv's he was fighting the people's champion.
Neither. One doesn't have me terribly interested and the other isn't a thing that has the potential of happening.
The value of money changes. Buy rates will aren't the be all and end all, but they'll always be a better indicator of drawing ability than straight cash. I will say I doubt that this fight will pay Conor more than Brock has made in his entire career, but realistically we'll never know how much money Brock has made.
The funniest thing about all of this is that past performance has shown you don't even believe what you say about Conor, lol.
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We'll agree to disagree about the rest but what does this mean?
You made a grandiose prediction. You said you were willing to bet on it. I offered to take you up on it and you refused. First because (according to you) it was unfair to you. Which makes no sense. If you're as confident as you claimed stakes are irrelevant. The second you denied because it was unfair to me, which makes even less sense. If you believed what you said you'd put your proverbial money where your mouth is, but you didn't.
Oh you're that fuckin guy?
You're putting way too much stock into that situation, man. I made a bold claim. I was honestly very sick of talking to you about it.
BTW I ended up being right so I don't know why you're so stuck on it. I would have bet you if it was just about whether or not the fight would happen, and I would have won.
