NICK DIAZ: Such a Shame...

[Mix6APlix]

you make sense except for "brutally". There was nothing brutal about Condit's striking in that fight. that's why Nick can't understand the decision. but he lost it from a 10-point must system POV.

Nick got whipped. It was perfect showcase for his inability and/or unwillingness to adapt midfight. Condit came out with a game plan that he had never used before and neither Nick nor his corner adjusted as the fight went on. Condit's rate of finishing his fights speaks for itself.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

you make sense except for "brutally". There was nothing brutal about Condit's striking in that fight. that's why Nick can't understand the decision. but he lost it from a 10-point must system POV.

Go look at some of the high kicks and elbows that Condit gave to Nick, they where brutal as fuck, just because Nick has some kind of incredible chin does not mean those where brutal shots.

 

[regular john]

Go look at some of the high kicks and elbows that Condit gave to Nick, they where brutal as fuck, just because Nick has some kind of incredible chin does not mean those where brutal shots.

Do you mean this?

Or this?

That's all I can find. Effective but not brutal at all;

Nick got whipped. It was perfect showcase for his inability and/or unwillingness to adapt midfight. Condit came out with a game plan that he had never used before and neither Nick nor his corner adjusted as the fight went on. Condit's rate of finishing his fights speaks for itself.

I agree except for "got whooped". if getting outpointed and losing 48-47 is "getting whooped" then we need a new term for Cain vs. JDS/BJ Penn vs. Diego Sanchez and others. It's all perception though.
I could look for even better examples but something like this is what I consider a "brutal" kick:

 

[Sex Chicken]

Nick hasn't fought in three years, effectively retiring at age 31, and he has only 3 fights in the past 6 years basically making him semi-retired since age 28.

I love me some Diaz boys and I just couldn't believe it's been so long. It all started with that shit Condit fight. I think that decision took the wind out of his sails regarding the sport with all its bullshit and he just said "fuck it".........

I love to watch Nick Diaz fight and I love his interviews.
He lost that Condit fight any way you look at it.

 

[Haulport]

What are you talking about, I love Nick but COndit won the fight, not sure how a smart fan like you would try to act like the wrong guy won. Nick just never had the passion for the sport, listen to him talk he has always said it, he does not like fighting, you have to be hungry to fight, even hungrier if you dont like the sport. He is making great money doing things he loves, that is why he is not fighting.

People need to really stop the bs about the Condit fight, Condit won that shit and fought well.

Carlos embarrassed himself in that fight. Being a huge, longtime fan of both those guys I felt like throwing up after that performance. He fought scared and spent the fight on his bike. That is not the Carlos Condit I watched for all those years. He just wanted a cheap win and was afraid to risk his ranking.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Do you mean this?

Or this?

That's all I can find. Effective but not brutal at all;



I agree except for "got whooped". if getting outpointed and losing 48-47 is "getting whooped" then we need a new term for Cain vs. JDS/BJ Penn vs. Diego Sanchez and others. It's all perception though.
I could look for even better examples but something like this is what I consider a "brutal" kick:

You sure you really trying, there is a lot more he did than just that.

It's one thing to be critical of fighters, Condit is the last guy I would ever be critical of, dude has something like 32 wins and 26 stoppages, against top comp, that is insane. No one finishes Nick, even in the gifs you show here, that fake leg kick to switch to a high kick may not ko a lot of ww's but most would be pretty rocked from that. You can't hold Nick's toughness and chin against Condit.

Condit took the fight to Nick and Nick could not handle Condit, Carlos ripped so many body shots iwth his boxing to Nick this fight also it was gorgeous, both are incredible people

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Carlos embarrassed himself in that fight. Being a huge, longtime fan of both those guys I felt like throwing up after that performance. He fought scared and spent the fight on his bike. That is not the Carlos Condit I watched for all those years. He just wanted a cheap win and was afraid to risk his ranking.

You are just wrong man, no other way to say it. The issue was not Condit, lol did we watch the same fight, the issue was that Nick could not adjust and was not good enough to beat Condit, that simple.

 

[Haulport]

You sure you really trying, there is a lot more he did than just that.

It's one thing to be critical of fighters, Condit is the last guy I would ever be critical of, dude has something like 32 wins and 26 stoppages, against top comp, that is insane. No one finishes Nick, even in the gifs you show here, that fake leg kick to switch to a high kick may not ko a lot of ww's but most would be pretty rocked from that. You can't hold Nick's toughness and chin against Condit.

Condit took the fight to Nick and Nick could not handle Condit, Carlos ripped so many body shots iwth his boxing to Nick this fight also it was gorgeous, both are incredible people

That high kick follow up was nothing more than a slap that wouldn't hurt any professional fighter.

 

[Haulport]

You are just wrong man, no other way to say it. The issue was not Condit, lol did we watch the same fight, the issue was that Nick could not adjust and was not good enough to beat Condit, that simple.

Carlos fought 100% differently than in any other fight he ever had and I watched them all from when he was a kid. He went in to run around and slap at Nick, knowing that Nick reacts very poorly to that kind of strategy and it would be an easy and not dangerous win. To state anything else indicates an ignorance of Carlos' history or intentionally ignoring it.

 

[aghof]

1-2-5! 1-2-5!

 

[regular john]

No one finishes Nick, even in the gifs you show here, that fake leg kick to switch to a high kick may not ko a lot of ww's but most would be pretty rocked from that. You can't hold Nick's toughness and chin against Condit.

that high kick was a little slap. look at his hips.

I'm not saying "If you don't KO Nick Diaz that's not brutal". but if you choose to employ the most methodic gameplan ever consisting of moving constantly then you won't be able to throw big power shots. not that there's anything wrong about that.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Carlos fought 100% differently than in any other fight he ever had and I watched them all from when he was a kid. He went in to run around and slap at Nick, knowing that Nick reacts very poorly to that kind of strategy and it would be an easy and not dangerous win. To state anything else indicates an ignorance of Carlos' history or intentionally ignoring it.

It's absolutely insane that you watch the fight and hurl that at Condit when he actually brought the fight, simply fought smart. Nick Diaz literally said post fight that was was fighting a particular way in round 5 because he was trying to win a decision. How do you forget Nick's own words man?

You fight different or the same depending on the matchup, ever heard of GSP, one of the alltime greats, styles make fights. Condit deservedly beat Nick that fight, and Nick is the one who should be regretting how he fought.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

that high kick was a little slap. look at his hips.

I'm not saying "If you don't KO Nick Diaz that's not brutal". but if you choose to employ the most methodic gameplan ever consisting of moving constantly then you won't be able to throw big power shots. not that there's anything wrong about that.

That would rock particular fighters, not ko them but rock some of them so then Condit puts more strikes forth. It was not that it was the most strong strike, it would rock some guys because he faked low and went high and most of taking strikes well is the split second absorbing, most guys would be out of position and because of this it would make them get kind of vulnerable for more shots.

Also, there was a shit ton more Condit did that fight. He started slow and then showed himself the better fighter, made the adjustment and hit Nick with a shit ton of significant strikes, look at the numbers, and deserved the win.

It's bullshit for any MMA fan to trash Condit for that fight, some straight boolsheet, Ya'll are better than that, I sense so.

 

[sgotwalks]

One of my all time favorites, in and out of the cage.

 

[regular john]

That would rock particular fighters, not ko them but rock some of them so then Condit puts more strikes forth.

Also, there was a shit ton more Condit did that fight. He started slow and then showed himself the better fighter, made the adjustment and hit Nick with a shit ton of significant strikes, look at the numbers, and deserved the win.

It's bullshit for any MMA fan to trash Condit for that fight, some straight boolsheet, Ya'll are better than that, I sense so.

I'm not trashing Condit for anything. I think he won and I said there's nothing wrong with his strategy it just wasn't brutal at all. it was "methodic" and "smart". not "brutal".

You are crazy if you think that would rock anyone. it was a little slap with the point of the foot. if you just swing your hips and hit with the shin it can rock anyone anytime (like Jacare vs. Brunson) but if you are moving around, didn't set up a power kick and hit with the point of the foot it's a little slap.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Hey guys, I think I am pretty strong minded on this fight, as you are, and I like you both so I rather just bow out of the thread, we agree to disagree, all good. Most likely we will agree on 93% of the other topics.

YouBet

 

[Gibberish]

He's not fighting currently because he was suspended by USADA for failing to keep them informed about his travels, disrupting their testing protocol. He didn't fight for a number of years because he received a ridiculously long suspension from the NSAC for a Marijuana metabolite, so minimal that it wouldn't have been flagged under USADA, but nevertheless, the NSAC decided to send a message that no one but the commission itself really paid attention to. The UFC and Nick got together a few months back to discuss the whole USADA thing, with the goal of having Nick fight at least once this year.

I just watched that Condit fight, and it was close from a judges standpoint. Condit's entire game plan was to win a decision by constantly moving, literally running at times, and outstriking Nick with leg kicks and various other insignificant strikes. He fought smart, but when it's all said and done, I doubt he'll look back on that performance as something to be proud of. He was supposed to be the "The Natural Born Killer", which is why we were initially so stoked for that matchup to begin with.

On the Joe Rogan podcast Condit admitted that fight was one of his biggest regrets.

 

[Haulport]

It's absolutely insane that you watch the fight and hurl that at Condit when he actually brought the fight, simply fought smart. Nick Diaz literally said post fight that was was fighting a particular way in round 5 because he was trying to win a decision. How do you forget Nick's own words man?

You fight different or the same depending on the matchup, ever heard of GSP, one of the alltime greats, styles make fights. Condit deservedly beat Nick that fight, and Nick is the one who should be regretting how he fought.

I guess u r intentionally ignoring Carlos' history then... alrighty...

 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

....it was close, but Condit fought smart ; hit more, and got hit less.
I like them both as fighters, but I lived in ABQ for 50 years, so who do you think I like more?
I'd like to see CC back in top form for another run; not sure if he's got enough juice left tho.
I never cared much for Diaz bros. attitude but they earned respect , no doubt. Messed up to
hear about anyone (Nick) sliding down the booze hill. Been there ; barely made it out with
my skin . Come on, man, you're better than that

 

[Silverball]

Bullshit

I went over this with you yesterday

This never happened, not yesterday, not ever.

 

[Wild]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-gIlhayB8

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

This never happened, not yesterday, not ever.

Maybe it was someone else lol

 

[SickEye]

For nostalgia purposes:



This one is good...has a lot of Nick interviews from the era of his first UFC run.

 

[madmav]

the condit v nick fight could have been one of those career defining fights for both of them.. but condit played it safe and ran the whole fight.. which is a shame considering all the other battles carlos has been in.. nick deserved better esp considering most of his fights were against fighters who were on roids n shit..

 

[Haulport]

Hey guys, I think I am pretty strong minded on this fight, as you are, and I like you both so I rather just bow out of the thread, we agree to disagree, all good. Most likely we will agree on 93% of the other topics.

YouBet

No worries. It's good not to always agree. I don't take it personally : )