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sparkuri

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It's weird to me how one common thread among right identifying people is a core belief that humans are inherently selfish if not outright evil. I think this is the core of what separates people on the left and right.

We hear the horror stories all day and experience disappointments in our own lives and so it's easy to come to that conclusion, but there is overwhelming evidence from psychology, sociology, economics, philosophy and even evolutionary biology that selfishness and/or evil are not the default state of man. There are aspects of our experience where selfishness guides us and we have great capacity for "evil," insofar as that means destructiveness, disregard, or cruelty, but those tendencies are typically embraced by the very few in the grand scheme of humanity.

I think if you operate from the premise that we are atomized individuals fighting to stay alive in a wild, untamed world governed by selfishness and beset on all sides by evil, there are only two options politically: an every man for himself ideology where the spirit of cooperatism is abandoned due to distrust or totalitarianism to ensure the "wrong kind" of people are purged from society. That is a grim calculus.

The spirit of classical anarchism, which sparkuri @sparkuri brought up, is premised on the idea that humanity is fundamentally good and will engage in mutual aid. It's best articulated by Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin and Pierre Joseph Proudhon, all of whom distrusted the idea of "the state," mostly because of bureaucratization and its distance from localized human interaction. The modern libertarian movement, hailing from thinkers like Robert Nozick or Ayn Rand, simply replaces the apparatus of state with the notion of a market, but denies the imbalances in that market that ultimately make it the same type of bureaucracy under a different name. Adam Smith, the father of free market ideoligy, is more ancestral to the anarchists than the libertarians. His companion book to The Wealth of Nations, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, articulates his vision of a world of mutual dependence and justice, which he believed was innate, though often suppressed.

This community's evolution has basically proven that there is a general bias toward goodness, a need for some central planning in governance, a tendency toward cooperatism, and a strong desire for justice. You could argue there's some selection bias involved, but it's not bad as a case study of socialism.


Yet from my house, it seems like the left leaning folks in the shadow government are the ones orchestrating genocide, GMO's, abortion, Africa's starvation, Agenda 21....complete population control and the belief that us "mouth breathers" need to trim down to 2 billion for a mutually eco-friendly earth/human companionship.
That's "science", and the good-natured left, calling humans parasites of the earth themselves.
It's Jonestown/Hitler mentality.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Yet from my house, it seems like the left leaning folks in the shadow government are the ones orchestrating genocide, GMO's, abortion, Africa's starvation, Agenda 21....complete population control and the belief that us "mouth breathers" need to trim down to 2 billion for a mutually eco-friendly earth/human companionship.
That's "science", and the good-natured left, calling humans parasites of the earth themselves.
It's Jonestown/Hitler mentality.

This brings up an interesting point.


Is it only the right leaning community who believes in the "shadow govt" ?

Any left-leaners out there buy into the shadow govt?
 

sparkuri

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This brings up an interesting point.


Is it only the right leaning community who believes in the "shadow govt" ?

Any left-leaners out there buy into the shadow govt?

Sorry I don't have time today to elaborate, it can come off as run-n-gun, but personal stuff has me unable to put time into this.
I really look forward to coming back after the weekend and responding to questions in both threads.
This is gonna be good discussion.
 
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Original sin.

You must accept Jesus into your life to be considered a good person... Or else your just a piece of shit that will get stuck in purgatory with all all the handicap and developmentally delayed people.

What an ironically judgmental assumption.
 

MMAHAWK

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Original sin.

You must accept Jesus into your life to be considered a good person... Or else your just a piece of shit that will get stuck in purgatory with all all the handicap and developmentally delayed people.
Racist post
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Of course though the EU needs some reforms. The countries need it too though, especially France right now.
Again, this is according to you.

I really don't know what got you into this bad mood, you need to get laid or something.
I thought you were a little more mature than this so I ignored it the first time, but you continue to go back to the well so I'll acknowledge it. Me pointing out facts that negate your opinions are not indicative of me being in a bad mood. It's indicative of you being irrational.

I said Europe was war-torn and now isn't anymore, you say I'm misrepresenting things because Europe was very war-torn.
It continues to be war torn as evidenced by, you know the wars that European nations have, and are, been engaged in. I said that you're misrepresenting things because you've stated several times that since the EU's creation it's been peaceful. I pointed out that 25 years is an extremely small metric by which to make that statement, and it's also a factually incorrect statement to make.

And the EU didn't just pop up, maybe do read up on it a bit.
It was founded in 1993.

I would say its more likely than not.
So what you mean is that you don't actually have any evidence on which you're basing this opinion.

I have to ask why would you say "The US always goes to war"?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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It's weird to me how one common thread among right identifying people is a core belief that humans are inherently selfish if not outright evil.
I am personally a centrist. I can tell you that I see that fear mongering from both sides. How they bring it up sounds different, but it's the same fear.
 

kneeblock

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Yet from my house, it seems like the left leaning folks in the shadow government are the ones orchestrating genocide, GMO's, abortion, Africa's starvation, Agenda 21....complete population control and the belief that us "mouth breathers" need to trim down to 2 billion for a mutually eco-friendly earth/human companionship.
That's "science", and the good-natured left, calling humans parasites of the earth themselves.
It's Jonestown/Hitler mentality.
That is kind of a run and gun, but the weird thing is nearly everything you mentioned have been causes celebré of the left in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s and continue to be in the new millennium. There are virulent opponents of genocide, policies that promote starvation overseas, GMOs, population control, and various shadow governments. Most of the opposition movements to these things have their origins in 60s and 70s counterculture that went off in a few different strains. The political organizing strain that was part of so many protest movements went on to either get directly involved in politics or continue into community organizing. The other group left society altogether to go form communes. Most of the ideologies that came out of the communalist movement were the antecedents of modern anti-establishment ethics seen among a certain wing of the Libertarian political party and some popular conspiracists. It was this group that held large organizations like the UN in contempt (e.g. promulgating pretty consistently debunked hysteria over Agenda 21) as they favored systems based approaches that have migrated today to Silicon Valley and some of the worldview espoused by the hypercapitalists there. Historian Fred Turner has a great book on how these ideas spread called From Counterculture to Cyberculture.

I think even the belief that a group of people of a particular ideology believe in culling the earth (or are apathetic toward it) again comes from a worldview of lack of basic faith in people. But both sides accuse one another of it so it's not hard to see why the idea has a lot of traction.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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So, original sin, deep state, any other common themes emerging across our right-leaning community?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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So, original sin, deep state, any other common themes emerging across our right-leaning community?
Religious belief isn't anymore synonymous with being right leaning than Atheism is with being left leaning. Neither is belief in a deep state.
 
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So, original sin, deep state, any other common themes emerging across our right-leaning community?
You only post two themes and one of them was injected crudely, and out of turn, by you.

Does that actually represent anyone posting here when you're simply referencing yourself?
 

kneeblock

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I think you've overstated my opinions anyway, or at least made a false dichotomy. I simply believe that individuals strongest motivator is them and their family and neighbors.

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See, proof of the selfish orientation. I didn't even read any of your posts yet. :p
 

Freeloading Rusty

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You only post two themes and one of them was injected crudely, and out of turn, by you.

Does that actually represent anyone posting here when you're simply referencing yourself?
Are you this serious in real life?
 
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Are you this serious in real life?
I dunno, you tell me. There's a number of people having some interesting conversations and then there's this...

So, original sin, deep state, any other common themes emerging across our right-leaning community?
What's the take away from this?

You referenced a post of your own, a position that no one else made. So is it "common themes emerging across our right-leaning community" ?

Doesn't seem it to me. And I gave you a chance to expand.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Yes.

Isn't that how stereotypes work?
That's exactly how they work. Thanks to social media they spread like wildfire and we now live in probably the most divisive time in recorded history. There are no longer differences of opinion, simply groups who think each other are idiots.