POLL - Jones vs Cormier 2

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Mentioning short notice should be a disadvantage for OSP, not the guy with the full training camp.


I'm not sure who will win this fight but I'm hoping DC does for selfish reasons.

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It's a disadvantage of sorts for OSP, but for a guy who prepares the way that Jones does and with so much to lose at the time it didn't do any favors for Jones either. I basically only listed it because it is likely the reason that Jones was tentative in that fight.

 

[La Paix]

It's a disadvantage of sorts for OSP, but for a guy who prepares the way that Jones does and with so much to lose at the time it didn't do any favors for Jones either. I basically only listed it because it is likely the reason that Jones was tentative in that fight.

I have a hard time ever buying that angle. Whenever there's a short notice replacement it's a strike against both fighters but there's usually one guy who's had a full camp. At the very least their conditioning/cardio should be at peak and they've had lots of sparring to get sharp compared to the guy getting the late notice.

Jons last finishes were over 3 guys who are now at MW, Sonnen being the last one in 2013. I think he's fights much more reserved now due to pressure and money. He's taking the GSP approach which is smart from his perspective, can't blame him for that.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

I have a hard time ever buying that angle. Whenever there's a short notice replacement it's a strike against both fighters but there's usually one guy who's had a full camp. At the very least their conditioning/cardio should be at peak and they've had lots of sparring to get sharp compared to the guy getting the late notice.

Jons last finishes were over 3 guys who are now at MW, Sonnen being the last one in 2013. I think he's fights much more reserved now due to pressure and money. He's taking the GSP approach which is smart from his perspective, can't blame him for that.

We have seen short notice guys go balls out and KO a guy who by all means should have beat them. You're right in the sense that it poses issues for the short notice guy, but it's pretty clear how facing a guy on short notice who you can just pick apart moderately safely for 5 rounds would make a fighter take less risks.

Yes, Jones has been a lot more careful lately. Don't take submitting TRT Vitor away from him though. That's not your average "now a middleweight". Haha

 

[member 3289]

I have a hard time ever buying that angle. Whenever there's a short notice replacement it's a strike against both fighters but there's usually one guy who's had a full camp. At the very least their conditioning/cardio should be at peak and they've had lots of sparring to get sharp compared to the guy getting the late notice.

Jons last finishes were over 3 guys who are now at MW, Sonnen being the last one in 2013. I think he's fights much more reserved now due to pressure and money. He's taking the GSP approach which is smart from his perspective, can't blame him for that.

This is partly copy-pasted from my post in Haulport's !!!!!!!!!!!! thread (shouldn't have wasted my brilliance in such a shitty thread, but I digress), with some new stuff added in.

Jon's fought 4 times since his last finish, against:

Alexander Gustafsson - a way tougher fight than he expected and trained for. A stylistic nightmare. Yet still, Jones nearly finished Alex in that 4th round. I think Jones wins a rematch more convincingly, but I agree with you that, at least against Alex, he would probably fight tentatively.

Glover Teixeira - Glover has been finished twice since then, yes, but Jones isn't a one-punch KO guy like Rumble, nor is he an elusive boxer like Gus. His style won't finish guys with Glover's style 9/10 times.

Daniel Cormier - Cormier had never been beaten before his fight with Jones, much less finished. Let's face it, Cormier is the 2nd best light-heavyweight fighter of all time, and would be in the GOAT discussion if not for Jones. Cormier is tough as nails and probably won't be finished by anybody, including Jon Jones, unless he stays in the game too long.

Ovince St. Preux - A lot of people bitch about the OSP fight and the same logical argument I present every time is that Jon took the fight on 2 weeks' notice. Jon is a very calculated fighter who comes into fights with a well-thought out, well-practiced game plan. It is impossible to do that in two weeks' time. With a full camp, Jones destroys OSP within two rounds.

This is far different than GSP's shitshows against fighters like Dan Hardy and Jake Shields.

 

[La Paix]

This is partly copy-pasted from my post in Haulport's !!!!!!!!!!!! thread (shouldn't have wasted my brilliance in such a shitty thread, but I digress), with some new stuff added in.

Jon's fought 4 times since his last finish, against:

Alexander Gustafsson - a way tougher fight than he expected and trained for. A stylistic nightmare. Yet still, Jones nearly finished Alex in that 4th round. I think Jones wins a rematch more convincingly, but I agree with you that, at least against Alex, he would probably fight tentatively.

Glover Teixeira - Glover has been finished twice since then, yes, but Jones isn't a one-punch KO guy like Rumble, nor is he an elusive boxer like Gus. His style won't finish guys with Glover's style 9/10 times.

Daniel Cormier - Cormier had never been beaten before his fight with Jones, much less finished. Let's face it, Cormier is the 2nd best light-heavyweight fighter of all time, and would be in the GOAT discussion if not for Jones. Cormier is tough as nails and probably won't be finished by anybody, including Jon Jones, unless he stays in the game too long.

Ovince St. Preux - A lot of people bitch about the OSP fight and the same logical argument I present every time is that Jon took the fight on 2 weeks' notice. Jon is a very calculated fighter who comes into fights with a well-thought out, well-practiced game plan. It is impossible to do that in two weeks' time. With a full camp, Jones destroys OSP within two rounds.

This is far different than GSP's shitshows against fighters like Dan Hardy and Jake Shields.

Shitshow meaning 9 consecutive title defenses against top guys in the division? Did Hardy and Jake go down to LW after losing? Both guys are GOAT status and train with same crew. Accept that handing out tons of damage while taking little may not be the most fan friendly but it's a good way to get paid and stay healthy. Jon has turned into a decision fighter due to facing tough opponents like Gus and DC, nothing wrong with that. When he was fighting guys like Bonnar and Jake O'Brian the risk reward was much better for him.

Remember that great advice you gave about Dennis Bermudez and his stats on KOs? DC has never been finished and I don't think Jon will be able to change that right now. Jon's has a lot stacked against him due to inactivity but he should still win, just don't see him getting the KO or sub.

 

[member 3289]

Shitshow meaning 9 consecutive title defenses against top guys in the division? Did Hardy and Jake go down to LW after losing? Both guys are GOAT status and train with same crew. Accept that handing out tons of damage while taking little may not be the most fan friendly but it's a good way to get paid and stay healthy. Jon has turned into a decision fighter due to facing tough opponents like Gus and DC, nothing wrong with that. When he was fighting guys like Bonnar and Jake O'Brian the risk reward was much better for him.

Remember that great advice you gave about Dennis Bermudez and his stats on KOs? DC has never been finished and I don't think Jon will be able to change that right now. Jon's has a lot stacked against him due to inactivity but he should still win, just don't see him getting the KO or sub.

I agree that I don't think he's gonna finish DC or Alex (if those two fight again), but once he starts facing the 205 versions of Dan Hardy and Jake Shields, he'll go back to finishing fights.

What GSP did was smart, I'll never deny that. But even in his decision wins, Jon is not GSP. He's not shooting double-leg after double-leg and then lying on top of guys for entire rounds.

 

[La Paix]

I agree that I don't think he's gonna finish DC or Alex (if those two fight again), but once he starts facing the 205 versions of Dan Hardy and Jake Shields, he'll go back to finishing fights.

What GSP did was smart, I'll never deny that. But even in his decision wins, Jon is not GSP. He's not shooting double-leg after double-leg and then lying on top of guys for entire rounds.

Everyone knew what GSPs game plan was but few could do shit about it, to me that's very impressive. I'm a big fan of Georges for lots of reasons but I fully agree his style wasn't the most exciting. Having said that you can't deny what he did to the best available during his reign. If you're gonna cherry pick his opponents like Hardy and Jake it's just as easy to point to all the MWs on Jon's resume (Sonnen....fucking Sonnen? Really?)

I'm thinking this fights looks just like the last. All kinds of hand fighting and grinding over 25 minutes but no moments that look like an attempt to finish or take any sort of risk.

 

[Filthy]

This is partly copy-pasted from my post in Haulport's !!!!!!!!!!!! thread (shouldn't have wasted my brilliance in such a shitty thread, but I digress), with some new stuff added in.

Jon's fought 4 times since his last finish, against:

Alexander Gustafsson - a way tougher fight than he expected and trained for. A stylistic nightmare. Yet still, Jones nearly finished Alex in that 4th round. I think Jones wins a rematch more convincingly, but I agree with you that, at least against Alex, he would probably fight tentatively.

Glover Teixeira - Glover has been finished twice since then, yes, but Jones isn't a one-punch KO guy like Rumble, nor is he an elusive boxer like Gus. His style won't finish guys with Glover's style 9/10 times.

Daniel Cormier - Cormier had never been beaten before his fight with Jones, much less finished. Let's face it, Cormier is the 2nd best light-heavyweight fighter of all time, and would be in the GOAT discussion if not for Jones. Cormier is tough as nails and probably won't be finished by anybody, including Jon Jones, unless he stays in the game too long.

Ovince St. Preux - A lot of people bitch about the OSP fight and the same logical argument I present every time is that Jon took the fight on 2 weeks' notice. Jon is a very calculated fighter who comes into fights with a well-thought out, well-practiced game plan. It is impossible to do that in two weeks' time. With a full camp, Jones destroys OSP within two rounds.

This is far different than GSP's shitshows against fighters like Dan Hardy and Jake Shields.

Jon wasn't able to finish a one-armed OSP, who took the fight on short-notice. Cormier has known that his next fight is Jones, and he's been preparing for that singular opponent. I also see a reversal in the psychological roles from the last time they fought - DC seems calm and confident, Jones seems to question his own invincibility and to be feeling the pressure to back up all his 'paper champ' talk.

 

[Filthy]

@Splinty - please note @conor mcgregor nut hugger is using the feedback system in a negative manner. I expect this will go on his permanent record.

 

[Filthy]

that's twice, @conor mcgregor nut hugger. You are officially e-bullying me.
Voice your disagreement in a calm, respectful manner instead of just saying that someone else is "drunk" because they don't agree with you.

 

[Onetrickpony]

 

[SCADA]

Funniest quote of this episode:

"With the first fight, Jon Jones beat him...It was a close fight and everything else, and DC knows this"

- Cain Velasquez

Fuking LOL at the first fight being close. 4-1 JBJ.

 

[member 3289]

TTT for the tttards voting DC.

 

[Shorinji]

I want DC to win but think Jones will likely take the belt back.

+1.
I was just going to say the same thing