Hendo is 4-6 in his last 10 fights and hasn't had a pair of wins since 2011 so ranking him 13 is a bit of a gift to him but if they say he is 13th i guess he is 13th
BISPING HENDO 2 REPORTEDLY AGREED UPON VERBALLY!
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Agreed. But I've said from the get go rankings are total BS. Look through the MW rankings as proof in top ten there is a guy who hasn't won since 2012 being ranked completely off his old body of work, a guy who hasn't won since 2014(machida) and Tim Kennedy (he was 10 until they booked Brunson and they switched them to make that a top 10 fight) who hasn't fought since 2014.
As much as I want to see Hendo become champion before he retires, I think it'd be a little cooler if Bisping went on a tear as champion. I would love to see Bisping shut the naysayers up and defend his belt in spectacular fashion against the likes of Rockhold, Weidman, Jacare and even GSP if they fight. Also, I think Bisping destroys Hendo in a fight this time around.
Leaving aside the insanity of giving a 3-6 guy a MW title shot based on beating a WW coming off a stoppage loss, do any of you spastics who actually support the fight think it is a good idea to potentially crown a geriatric champion you know is going to retire after the fight in a division where your 2 preferred former champions are also coming off decisive stoppage losses?
You would have 3 consecutive champs brutally finished, with the final one being done in by a crippled old man who then retires. Genius way to build a credible division.
You would have 3 consecutive champs brutally finished, with the final one being done in by a crippled old man who then retires. Genius way to build a credible division.
agreed , could have left out the " spastic " part but still you make sense
I agree. Super unlikely though looking at his record. Would be amazing and I'd love it
Do you think it matters? Not like people are going to stop watching. Not like it will hurt the UFC.
Remember when they gave 3-4 Randy Couture a shot at the HW belt right after he had lost to Liddell for the LW belt? It isn't like this is unprecedented.
Since they gave Bisping a title fight, I'm more than fine with giving Henderson a title fight. I would be also fine, if they make Henderson - Anderson Silva 2 as the next title fight, in case Hendo wins over Bisping. That would be amazing.
That would be awesome. Folks act like Hendo is some guy off the street. He is one of the most decorated mixed martial artists of all time. He gets a title shot the same way Anderson gets to be ranked #5. Off his name.
dont think anyone is saying he is a bum but he is a 45 year old man who is 4-6 in his last 10 fights and im having a hard time thinking of a recent fight where he was not badly rocked
You'd have a hard time thinking of any Hendo fight where he wasn't rocked. Think about his second Rua fight or his Fedor fight. Got rocked in both. Got up. KO'd them. The 45 thing has some weight but this isn't the first time the UFC has done this for an aging legend. Couture was 3-4 and had lost to Liddell for the belt and then was allowed to move up and fight Silvia for the HW crown. They were basically booking title fights just to get him one last one.
if he wasnt flat out ko'd that means he didnt take bad damage ? every fight from Fedor has been a hard fight . i just dont think he needs to be fighting now ( but this is just my opinion )
because they done it back then for Couture they should do it now when there are legitimate contenders waiting ? please dont think im moaning for the sake of moaning ,i just cant understand how anyone can justify a title shot for Hendo at this stage in his career
Sure long term damage is done. But when did that become a reason for stopping a fight if they pass their screening? Sometimes I doubt that matters.
My Couture point was there are a lot of people acting like unjustified title shots never happen in MMA. Has happened and will always happen. Heck even Bisping's shot was unjustified. He got knocked out cold in the Silva fight and wasn't a top contender.
As far as justifying a title shot? I guess that depends on the value of the belt. Like I've said repeatedly it's not that Bisping Hendo 2 is a bad fight. If Weidman doesn't get hurt then it's a really good fight. It's a #8 vs #13 that would sell big or draw ratings. That rarely happens. The belt is what changed this not the fighters themselves. Personally I think belts are overrated. On any night anyone is capable of winning even undeserved title shots. See Serra/GSP.
So if they want to give Dan one more crack at it who am I to complain? If he wins retires and rides off in the sunset maybe the UFC would have the stones to do a tourney with Weidman/Rockhold/Jacare/ and someone else because after those three it's really cloudy. Regardless it won't hurt the division. Just like Brock's 2-1 UFC record and ridiculous title shot didn't hurt the HW division it helped it. Sometimes you just make the fight because it's a fight folks want to see.
i can see where your coming from mate but were just not gonna agree on the fight
Admittedly I am typing all this wearing a Dan Henderson Roots of Fight shirt. (Context)i can see where your coming from mate but were just not gonna agree on the fight
Bisping was a late replacement coming off 3 straight wins against serious MW competition, it's not the same thing.
It was a very shallow era in which Couture was comparatively a much bigger star than Hendo and hadn't declined as obviously. He was coming off his feud with Chuck and was the equal biggest star in the sport.
And even that's besides the point, what makes this unprecedented in its stupidity is that we know Hendo is retiring after he wins. Couture fought 7 more times, including defending his belt before losing it to Brock.
Hendo win kills a division rather than reinvigorates it like Couture did.
Dollaway? And Silva who hadn't fought in 3 years and knocked him cold & most likely would've won if he hadn't jumped on the cage and celebrated?
The Leites one was impressive though.
No it doesn't. He wins and retires and the division moves on. Sure there are some really good MW fighters but it won't take long to sort out. They won't but they could have a Weidman/Rockhold/Jacare/Silva tournament for the belt and it might be the most exciting thing to happen in the UFC ever.
People love nostalgia. If Hendo wins that will be eaten up and immensely popular and the division will move on accordingly. If he loses it impacts the division zero. If anything it might jumpstart interest in a division that has great fighters that aren't draws. Just look at Weidman, never broke a million buys on a PPV until he co-mained with McGregor. And he is considered the biggest draw between him, Rockhold and Jacare.
1. If you are going to argue that being granted a title shot outright for beating an aging, post-USADA WW Lombard coming off a loss at WW is comparable to getting a late notice fight after beating Silva, Leites and CB, then I hope you are just trolling.
2. The division does not just move on. If Hendo wins, Bisping, Rockhold and Weidman's credibility is shot to pieces and there is no momentum behind the division. It hurts the individuals in the division, devalues the title completely and will have a tangible impact on drawing power. Worse, nobody can beat the retiring elderly champ to re-establish themselves, it will likely just be two brutally defeated former champs fighting over a meaningless trinket.
There is this nonsense going around MMA circles that titles are meaningless. People make the mistake of thinking that those arguing for the 'integrity' of titles are talking about meritocracy. I'm talking money, because that's what stable titles bring. You ignore them when necessary, but you don't ruin their legitimacy and long-term value.
Have to agree with much of the above.
Bisping being champion at the end of the year means a fairly significant sum of money for me (shared my £5 @ 200/1 bet on Twitter) - I have more but the missus doesn't need to know everything
Obviously I want a slight injury and for him not to defend until January but if he does Hendo is my favoured opponent.
Purely from an odds perspective I think that's the only fight Bisping could be favourite for making my trade more profitable.
Can understand the 'reasons' he doesn't want to fight Luke or Chris but if I were Jacare I'd be pretty upset.
I think in US odds all 3 would be -400 and if he does get Hendo the UFC are effectively rewarding him for his service.
Good for me, strange decision for the division.
Bisping being champion at the end of the year means a fairly significant sum of money for me (shared my £5 @ 200/1 bet on Twitter) - I have more but the missus doesn't need to know everything
Obviously I want a slight injury and for him not to defend until January but if he does Hendo is my favoured opponent.
Purely from an odds perspective I think that's the only fight Bisping could be favourite for making my trade more profitable.
Can understand the 'reasons' he doesn't want to fight Luke or Chris but if I were Jacare I'd be pretty upset.
I think in US odds all 3 would be -400 and if he does get Hendo the UFC are effectively rewarding him for his service.
Good for me, strange decision for the division.
First let's looks closer at those three wins:
He beat an aging Silva that should still be retired, in controversial fashion, who hasn't won a fight since 2012. Calling that impressive is as severe an overstatement as those arguing for Hendo based on body of work. Silva has done less to deserve his #5 ranking than Hendo has this title shot.
Leites I'll give you.
CB is 4-6 over his last 10.
Second: Truthfully you are severely overestimating the amount of thought I would say most MMA fans put into fights. Most will follow Dana blindly off a cliff. I doubt most could tell you Hendo's record over his last 10 fights. Win, lose, or draw Hendo Bisping 2 for the belt is not going to kill the middleweight division.
As for belts being meaningless I am back and forth on that. I care about them. But I also know this, the most watched heavyweight bout this year will be between a 42 year old with a 12-10 record and a guy that was 4-3 in UFC and hasn't fought in nearly 5 years. The most watched WW bout(s) was/will be between 2 guys that aren't WWs. And Kimbo and Dada will finish the year one of the most watched MMA fights of the year.
Most MMA fans will be excited to see the sequel and then will move on to the next show. It won't kill the division. It will sort out easily and naturally in less than a year if Hendo wins and retires. If Bisping wins everything marches on as is.