Conor Continues to Set Records

[SensoriaUtopia]

Ok so we agree on Conor trash talk, that's a start.

when he says he is a huge FW, are you saying he is not? LOL

Absolutely not, you'll find I've posted the opposite in the past. So again you're using his size advantage at FW to lessen his acheivements, yes? If so this is why I posted the Bisping vs GSP stuff. It's to show that size can be beat with technique and there's all kinds of examples we could both give. Ya Conor was a big FW, everyone knows this. Did it come at a cost of other factors? Of course it did. Every fighter has to find their sweet spot of size, speed, cardio and so on to perform at their best. Conor looked like Skelator on the scales but was still winning at FW. AJ made a huge cut and we now know he's better off fighting bigger guys now. Stephen Struve isn't considered unstoppable, neither was Bob Sapp.

He was a huge FW he was really a LW who cut to 145, you seem to be trying to say it backwards from reality. He is not a 145 who went up to 155, who do you think you are fooling with that lol, I say that with no disrespect just humour, dont take it the wrong way. He came in the UFC as the LW champ in Europe, he is at least average if not above average size as a LW, he cut down to 145, fought midgets in his own words, and then he went back up to his regular weightclass 155.

You brought up Kenny Florian, Kenny was just fat at 185, Conor at 155 is shredded and muscular, the guy is a 155 er, lets be honeset.

Conor is an incredible fighter too, but he drops off when compared to champs that defend titles, there is really no disputing that brother. Peace

 

[La Paix]

He was a huge FW he was really a LW who cut to 145, you seem to be trying to say it backwards from reality. He is not a 145 who went up to 155, who do you think you are fooling with that lol, I say that with no disrespect just humour, dont take it the wrong way. He came in the UFC as the LW champ in Europe, he is at least average if not above average size as a LW, he cut down to 145, fought midgets in his own words, and then he went back up to his regular weightclass 155.

You brought up Kenny Florian, Kenny was just fat at 185, Conor at 155 is shredded and muscular, the guy is a 155 er, lets be honeset.

Conor is an incredible fighter too, but he drops off when compared to champs that defend titles, there is really no disputing that brother. Peace

I'll post this for maximum transparency.

Conor was a big FW.


I don't know how else to say I agree with this again.

Can you see other instances in MMA where the bigger fighter hasn't won? Being the biggest in the division doesn't always mean champion. That's all I'm saying here. Size comes with many disadvantages, look at Dustin Poirier. Got KOd by Conor at FW and nows he's in the talks for potential LW title fight. Where's his harsh criticism? You've priased RDA in the past who was a big LW now in talks for a WW title shot, are his LW accomplishments lessened by his move to his natural weight?

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

I'll post this for maximum transparency.

Conor was a big FW.


I don't know how else to say I agree with this again.

Can you see other instances in MMA where the bigger fighter hasn't won? Being the biggest in the division doesn't always mean champion. That's all I'm saying here. Size comes with many disadvantages, look at Dustin Poirier. Got KOd by Conor at FW and nows he's in the talks for potential LW title fight. Where's his harsh criticism? You've priased RDA in the past who was a big LW now in talks for a WW title shot, are his LW accomplishments lessened by his move to his natural weight?

Conor was a LW, who cut down to FW, won a belt in amazing fashion, KO'ng Aldo shockingly fast, also beat Eddie in amazing fashion, but at the end of the day has 0 defenses and that will hurt him compared to other current champs that defend and will especially hurt him when doing alltime ranks

 

[member 3289]

I'm tired of hearing about how Conor was "too big" for featherweight.

I'm not going to pretend he isn't more naturally suited for 155 or that he doesn't look like a poster child for Feed the Children when he cuts to 145, but the facts are:

• 17/24 (71%) of his career fights have been at featherweight

• HE NEVER MISSED WEIGHT EVEN ONCE when fighting at featherweight

So people need to stop using this as criticism. I don't see him going back to 145 because:

1. He makes too much money now to even want to put himself through the presumed agony of that weight cut.

2. Even at 155, he's still bigger than 90% of the field (so there's no size disadvantage).

This criticism is ridiculous and sounds a lot like the JBJ haters who say he's "too big" for 205.

Stop it. Just fucking stop it, haters. Stop it right damn now.

 

[Rambo John J]

I'm tired of hearing about how Conor was "too big" for featherweight.

I'm not going to pretend he isn't more naturally suited for 155 or that he doesn't look like a poster child for Feed the Children when he cuts to 145, but the facts are:

• 17/24 (71%) of his career fights have been at featherweight

• HE NEVER MISSED WEIGHT EVEN ONCE when fighting at featherweight

So people need to stop using this as criticism. I don't see him going back to 145 because:

1. He makes too much money now to even want to put himself through the presumed agony of that weight cut.

2. Even at 155, he's still bigger than 90% of the field (so there's no size disadvantage).

This criticism is ridiculous and sounds a lot like the JBJ haters who say he's "too big" for 205.

Stop it. Just fucking stop it, haters. Stop it right damn now.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

I'm tired of hearing about how Conor was "too big" for featherweight.

I'm not going to pretend he isn't more naturally suited for 155 or that he doesn't look like a poster child for Feed the Children when he cuts to 145, but the facts are:

• 17/24 (71%) of his career fights have been at featherweight

• HE NEVER MISSED WEIGHT EVEN ONCE when fighting at featherweight

So people need to stop using this as criticism. I don't see him going back to 145 because:

1. He makes too much money now to even want to put himself through the presumed agony of that weight cut.

2. Even at 155, he's still bigger than 90% of the field (so there's no size disadvantage).

This criticism is ridiculous and sounds a lot like the JBJ haters who say he's "too big" for 205.

Stop it. Just fucking stop it, haters. Stop it right damn now.

Dude, chill out, its a discussion no reason to lose your mind.

Conor made weight at 145, he looked like a skeleton but I give him credit for not missing weight, but he was a 155 who was able to cut to 145 and he can fight at 25 different weights but at the end of the day he has 0 defenses, we are not comparing him to bums, against good fighters Conor stands strong, but when you compare Conor to current champs and especially alltime greats, he has a ways to go.

 

[member 3289]

Conor made weight at 145, he looked like a skeleton but I give him credit for not missing weight, but he was a 155 who was able to cut to 145

This is statistically inaccurate. 71% of his fights have been at 145 (or 146 in non title fights). In comparison, 21% of his career fights have been at lightweight, and 8% at welterweight (the two Nate fights).

I agree that he cuts a lot of weight to make 145, but if we have to call him anything, then based on his career, he's a featherweight (which makes him whooping the World's Strongest Man that much more impressive).

As a Jones fan who I'm sure has had to deal with a lot of haters saying Jonny was "too big" for 205, you should be more understanding of the fact that stats don't lie. At the end of the day, both have had most of their fights at one weight and neither guy has missed weight (Conor 145 and Jones 205).

Just click agree on this post. Thanks.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

This is statistically inaccurate. 71% of his fights have been at 145 (or 146 in non title fights). In comparison, 21% of his career fights have been at lightweight, and 8% at welterweight (the two Nate fights).

I agree that he cuts a lot of weight to make 145, but if we have to call him anything, then based on his career, he's a featherweight (which makes him whooping the World's Strongest Man that much more impressive).

As a Jones fan who I'm sure has had to deal with a lot of haters saying Jonny was "too big" for 205, you should be more understanding of the fact that stats don't lie. At the end of the day, both have had most of their fights at one weight and neither guy has missed weight (Conor 145 and Jones 205).

Just click agree on this post. Thanks.

Again, read what I wrote, Conor , even looking like shit on weigh in day, made 145 and did not miss weight, he gets big props for that. Conor deserved the title when he beat Aldo, notice I don't put an asterisk on that or on his Eddie win.

But he has 0 defenses, if you compare him to Poireir or Eddie he comes off great, but when you compare him to current champs that defend their belt, he is not on their level .....yet, and even worse when you compare him to legends that have all those defenses

Once Conor wins the belt again and defends I will happily give him more credit but he has not done it, I dont even think he can beat Khabib much less defend the title multiple times, but if he does, I will give him props, but he needs to earn it like the alltime great have, including Jones who has actually never lost and defended his title so many times I lost count

PS, alltime I would rank Eddie higher due to his career, Eddie defended titles before and has a long career with a huge list of big wins , look at who Eddie has fought.

 

[member 3289]

Again, read what I wrote, Conor , even looking like shit on weigh in day, made 145 and did not miss weight, he gets big props for that. Conor deserved the title when he beat Aldo, notice I don't put an asterisk on that or on his Eddie win.

But he has 0 defenses, if you compare him to Poireir or Eddie he comes off great, but when you compare him to current champs that defend their belt, he is not on their level .....yet, and even worse when you compare him to legends that have all those defenses

Once Conor wins the belt again and defends I will happily give him more credit but he has not done it, I dont even think he can beat Khabib much less defend the title multiple times, but if he does, I will give him props, but he needs to earn it like the alltime great have, including Jones who has actually never lost and defended his title so many times I lost count

PS, alltime I would rank Eddie higher due to his career, Eddie defended titles before and has a long career with a huge list of big wins , look at who Eddie has fought.

You keep changing your position (an argumentative fallacy known as "moving the goalposts").

Make up your mind on whether it's the lack of title defenses or the weight class that has you diminishing Conor's legacy.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

You keep changing your position (an argumentative fallacy known as "moving the goalposts").

Make up your mind on whether it's the lack of title defenses or the weight class that has you diminishing Conor's legacy.

I have not changed a thing, I think you keep having these mental spasms when people are critical of Conor and you are not seeing straight, from the get go I been telling it like it is cuzzo

 

[The Sound of Violence]

Since we're just making up records for Conor to break:

- 1st fighter to dance on a table in Ibiza wearing a cutout of his face on his face

 

[member 3289]

I have not changed a thing, I think you keep having these mental spasms when people are critical of Conor and you are not seeing straight, from the get go I been telling it like it is cuzzo

No you keep switching the central focus of your agument.

 

[member 3289]

PS, alltime I would rank Eddie higher due to his career

Terrible logic and reasoning here.

 

[Sex Chicken]

An incredible athlete.

 

[La Paix]

An incredible athlete.

 

[member 603]

Since we're just making up records for Conor to break:

- 1st fighter to dance on a table in Ibiza wearing a cutout of his face on his face

- 1st fighter to publicly have two man servants

 

[Sex Chicken]

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Terrible logic and reasoning here.

Nope, I bet you if you polled it Eddie would come out higher alltime. He has done way more, and has way more big wins. Eddie is known as one of the top 5 lw's of alltime

BJ Penn
Gomi
Eddie
RDA
Frankie Edgar

Those are probably the 5 lw's that rank highest alltime in that weightclass

Conor needs to put in actual wins and defenses to get to those guys, much less anything alltime p4p

Going 2 and 1 at lw in the ufc, really 1-1-1 , 2nd Nate fight was a draw to most, does not get anyone anywhere in an alltime rank, not even close

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

No you keep switching the central focus of your agument.

Wrong, my stance has stayed the same

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

- Only simultaneous 2-division champ in UFC history

- Fastest title-winning victory in UFC history

- Reached the top of both the MMA world and the boxing world

And now....

- Only UFC fighter ever to whoop the reigning world's strongest man (Pudzianowski doesn't count bc he was retired from strongman competitions when he started MMA)

BUT Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson (AKA The Mountain) has just been crowned the World's Strongest Man:


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/BibxEDfFNOV/


This is what happened when the strongest man on the planet fought McJesus:


View: https://youtu.be/Aaehn1aY8Ig




No one else on the GOAT list has done anything close to this. No one.

Thoughts?

Serious C Mac question...

Do you have any insight on where he's at mentally right now? Do
you think he will be back in the cage? I really hope so man.

Also any thoughts on the rumors that he's on coke? I sincerely hope that
shits not true. I don't wish that on anyone. I didn't like that he wouldn't defend
belts but he's still legtimately one of my all time favorite fighters and I wanna see
him get it together and get back in the cage where he belongs.

He seemed to have a really good head on his shoulders up until about a year ago.

Seems like he's struggling to keep it together now.

I do wish him the best.

 

[member 3289]

Serious C Mac question...

Do you have any insight on where he's at mentally right now?

If his IG is any indication, he realized he fucked up and went too far and he's just trying to lie low and be with his loved ones. He's still training though. He never stops training.

Do you think he will be back in the cage? I really hope so man.

Yes, by the end of the year against Khabib imo. He loves fighting and he loves competing too much to give it up. He's only 29.

But he's a smart businessman and he's only coming back when he gets the right deal from the UFC. They've been struggling so they will give him what he wants eventually.

Also any thoughts on the rumors that he's on coke? I sincerely hope that shits not true. I don't wish that on anyone. I didn't like that he wouldn't defend belts but he's still legtimately one of my all time favorite fighters and I wanna see
him get it together and get back in the cage where he belongs.

Imho, he probably does coke occasionally when he's partying. But I don't think it's an addiction and I'm not sure he was on coke during bus-gate. That very likely could have been 100% adrenaline.

He seemed to have a really good head on his shoulders up until about a year ago.

Seems like he's struggling to keep it together now.

I do wish him the best.

He made a lot of money from the Floyd fight and enjoyed his life for a bit.

Also, despite his inactivity, he is not happy about getting stripped. But he will be back this year imo, and no one in the game works/trains harder than Conor McGregor.

 

[member 3289]

Going 2 and 1 at lw in the ufc, really 1-1-1 , 2nd Nate fight was a draw to most, does not get anyone anywhere in an alltime rank, not even close

He's 1-0 at lightweight and 1-1 at welterweight.

You lose all credibility by suggesting that Conor didn't win the second Nate fight. When you want to talk facts and debate in a rational way, let me know.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

He's 1-0 at lightweight and 1-1 at welterweight.

You lose all credibility by suggesting that Conor didn't win the second Nate fight. When you want to talk facts and debate in a rational way, let me know.

You lose and have lost all cred when you act like Conor truly beat Nate, the fight was a draw at best, lol if that is the best Conor can do against Nate than Conor won't ever get close to where you think he will be, not with those holes in his arsenal man

 

[member 3289]

You lose and have lost all cred when you act like Conor truly beat Nate, the fight was a draw at best

The fight was a majority decision in favor of Conor McGregor.

Let me know when you are able to have intelligent discussion.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

The fight was a majority decision in favor of Conor McGregor.

Let me know when you are able to have intelligent discussion.

We all have eyes, mma judges suck. people that saw the fight without your bias know it was a draw.

Cry me a river if that is the best Conor can do against Nate than he won't have any kind of great career going forward, just a few money fights