Cris Cyborg Flagged for possible USADA violation

[SC MMA MD]

Can someone explain it to me? She wasn't cutting weight that day, was she? It was December and her last fight was September. So why take a diuretic to recover from drastic dehydration? Does that make sense to any of the medical professionals or fighters here?

With the extremely limited information avalible, it does not make sense to me why she would be on aldactone to recover from a weight cut, particularly that far out from the actual cut. Aldactone is not a particularly strong diuretic, and in my area typically gets used to decrease potassium wasting when on high doses of lasix and in patients with poor heart function. Based on prior cases of fighters with reported medical issues, I don't expect to get enough information to make a determination about the validity of the claim that this was a doctor prescribed treatment for an issue secondary to a weight cut

 

[member 1013]

Agreed. You are responsible for what goes in your own body.

Example: Ask @Lars about the RC car.

It's still up dere

 

[Silverball]

With the extremely limited information avalible, it does not make sense to me why she would be on aldactone to recover from a weight cut, particularly that far out from the actual cut. Aldactone is not a particularly strong diuretic, and in my area typically gets used to decrease potassium wasting when on high doses of lasix and in patients with poor heart function. Based on prior cases of fighters with reported medical issues, I don't expect to get enough information to make a determination about the validity of the claim that this was a doctor prescribed treatment for an issue secondary to a weight cut

Aldactone (spironolactone) is an aldosterone receptor antagonist that causes the kidneys to remove water and sodium from the body, with reduced losses of potassium. It's in the class of drugs known as 'potassium-sparing' diuretics. Generally, Aldactone is used to reduce edema (swelling) caused by heart, liver or kidney problems, hypertension, and for patients with hyperaldosteronism.

 

[kneeblock]

If you have to go to such extreme measures to fight at 140, you probably need a career change. I hope she didn't just cheat, but if she did, that's probably it for her.

 

[Papi Chingon]

No. Machida definitely used something he should'nt have. He was unaware and contacted USADA on his own though.

It was just dhea. Total bullshit, plus he notified usada and still received a bullshit suspension.

 

[Papi Chingon]

If you have to go to such extreme measures to fight at 140, you probably need a career change. I hope she didn't just cheat, but if she did, that's probably it for her.

After her last fight she stated due to complications in the weight cut she would never fight at 140 again. It was the UFC's demand that she cut the weight, not her idea. She has been at 145 forever, so tell me again why she needs a career change over a weight class that doesn't exist (140).

 

[kneeblock]

After her last fight she stated due to complications in the weight cut she would never fight at 140 again. It was the UFC's demand that she cut the weight, not her idea. She has been at 145 forever, so tell me again why she needs a career change over a weight class that doesn't exist (140).

Because she claims she struggles even to make 145 and has missed it on a couple occasions when she was much younger. These cuts don't get easier as you age. If I'm having to undergo radical measures to get near the highest available weight class (previously 135) or severe measures to make it to a marginally more comfortable class (145) then at a certain point, you have to question whether it might not be better to get into a different line of work. It's unfair that there aren't more weight classes to make a living at in WMMA and that's Cris' preferred occupation. But as a worker you're often forced to campaign for the situation you want while doing something else to stay solvent in the meantime.

She's a great fighter, but 2 PED test failures later I wonder if it's worth the cost.

 

[Zeph]

After her last fight she stated due to complications in the weight cut she would never fight at 140 again. It was the UFC's demand that she cut the weight, not her idea. She has been at 145 forever, so tell me again why she needs a career change over a weight class that doesn't exist (140).

She told them she could make 135, 140 was part of a roadplan to get her down to 135. They've done similar things for other fighters dropping divisions before. She isn't blameless and wasn't being forced for no reason down to 140. If she had been honest and told them she wasn't going to drop any muscle mass, so making 135 was impossible for her, then the situation wouldn't have happened.

 

[Rambo John J]

why doesn't romero fight at 165?

oh ya he can't.

she can't fight 140 or 135 naturally of course.

time to fight big girls if they want some

 

[Papi Chingon]

Because she claims she struggles even to make 145 and has missed it on a couple occasions when she was much younger. These cuts don't get easier as you age. If I'm having to undergo radical measures to get near the highest available weight class (previously 135) or severe measures to make it to a marginally more comfortable class (145) then at a certain point, you have to question whether it might not be better to get into a different line of work. It's unfair that there aren't more weight classes to make a living at in WMMA and that's Cris' preferred occupation. But as a worker you're often forced to campaign for the situation you want while doing something else to stay solvent in the meantime.

She's a great fighter, but 2 PED test failures later I wonder if it's worth the cost.

This isn't a PED she was flagged for. She also said she would never cut to 140 again because of difficulties (and this isn't after the fact). She has a job at invicta, and ufc also has her on contract. For every invicta fight, the ufc also pays her (forgot the amount) due to their contract with her. So why should she consider another profession?

 

[Papi Chingon]

She told them she could make 135, 140 was part of a roadplan to get her down to 135. They've done similar things for other fighters dropping divisions before. She isn't blameless and wasn't be forced for no reason down to 140. If she had been honest and told them she wasn't going to drop any muscle mass, so making 135 was impossible for her, then the situation wouldn't have happened.

She did what was asked of her, and after the last fight said she couldn't do it anymore, and would only fight at 145 going forward.

 

[RaginCajun]

The "potential" bullshit needs to stop. They are damaging fighters by doing this.

The "potential" is a legal way of saying you have tested positive for something.

Part of my job as a medical supervisor at a plasma center is to tell people that they have tested positive for HIV or Hepatitis.
I cannot say they "have" a disease. All I can tell say is they "tested positive" and "potentially" have it. It is a legal thing.

 

[nuraknu]

Part of my job as a medical supervisor at a plasma center is to tell people that they have tested positive for HIV or Hepatitis.

I feel like you are an "everyday hero". How do you handle that?

So I can't remember if this was posted about, but she does apparently face up to a one year suspension like Jon Jones. And I don't believe she can claim ignorance. I know she is probably not making all those news tweets herself, but when you are an mma fighter yourself, and you have that twitter checkmark, and you basically allow someone to say they're you to tweet a bunch of mma news, how could you claim you didn't know about Jon Jones, etc.? The whole thing is just fishy.

I think she should get the max because I don't trust her. I believed Chad Mendes when he said it turned out to be his psoriasis cream, but I don't believe Cyborg. Why? Is it a cultural or language divide and I'm prejudiced in a way I didn't realize? Or is she just super shady like she comes off?

I think I could have been a fan eventually.

 

[Jonny Quest]

Spironolactone "It is a steroid that blocks the effects of aldosterone and testosterone and has progesterone-like effects. Spironolactone belongs to a class of medications known as potassium-sparing diuretics."

 

[Yossarian]

It was just dhea. Total bullshit, plus he notified usada and still received a bullshit suspension.

I agree. But cooperating and admitting is when USADA wants to play bully. The excuses and lies that clearly cover up more serious violations are theatrically considered, and eventually allowed. Shortened suspensions will follow.

Since USADA everybody has a limp dick, or some sort of condition that requires medication. Mendez should've lied and said he thought he was using tan lotion. That is clearly the way to go these days, and we will see Cyborg doing the same if she is smart. As long as we as fans, play the part. Let's pretend to be fooled once again. Hakuna matata motherfuckers!

 

[dacofty]

Never trust the UFC or USADA especially with rousey coming back and the 145 title, suspending cyborg grants rousey 1 more year

 

[kneeblock]

This isn't a PED she was flagged for. She also said she would never cut to 140 again because of difficulties (and this isn't after the fact). She has a job at invicta, and ufc also has her on contract. For every invicta fight, the ufc also pays her (forgot the amount) due to their contract with her. So why should she consider another profession?

Because starving and dehydrating yourself to death for the privilege to get punched in the face frankly isn't worth it. Fighting is generally not worth it. In an ideal world, no one would have to do it.

 

[Ghost Bro]

Something's rotten in the state of Denmark

 

[Onetrickpony]

 

[Silverball]

Because she claims she struggles even to make 145 and has missed it on a couple occasions when she was much younger. These cuts don't get easier as you age. If I'm having to undergo radical measures to get near the highest available weight class (previously 135) or severe measures to make it to a marginally more comfortable class (145) then at a certain point, you have to question whether it might not be better to get into a different line of work. It's unfair that there aren't more weight classes to make a living at in WMMA and that's Cris' preferred occupation. But as a worker you're often forced to campaign for the situation you want while doing something else to stay solvent in the meantime.

She's a great fighter, but 2 PED test failures later I wonder if it's worth the cost.

She didn't pop for "steroids", which is the PED that comes to mind for most sports fans when an athlete tests positive for a banned substance. Due to Cyborg's physical appearance, i.e. extremely muscular, that will always be the uninformed assumption, especially given the manner in which USADA releases information.

 

[ErikMagraken]

Here's my legal breakdown of Cyborg's excuse for anyone interested. In short its not looking good for her

Cristiane “Cyborg” Justino Notified of Potential Doping Violation

 

[Silverball]

View: https://twitter.com/DrJCBenjamin/status/812340939662376960

 

[Kingtony87]

You can say it's not a steroid all day but the reason they test for diauretics like that in the first place is that they can be used to cover up steroid use. It's far too late in the game to claim ignorance on this. If machida, bj, and mendes got suspended over nonsense. She should face the full penalty.

 

[Yossarian]

In short its not looking good for her

 

[Silverball]

You can say it's not a steroid all day but the reason they test for diauretics like that in the first place is that they can be used to cover up steroid use. It's far too late in the game to claim ignorance on this. If machida, bj, and mendes got suspended over nonsense. She should face the full penalty.