I agree with BJM. The point of the other csac reforms was actually that more people would start missing weight or not qualify based on the earlier and fight night checks and be forced to move to the next weight class. So this is what should be happening.
The problem is the half-assed way it was all implemented, imo. You've got early weigh-ins now under a lot of commissions, but not some of the other csac reforms. You also have csac letting people basically use a doctor's note to be able to compete again right away in a weight class they should be disqualified from.
For fighter safety, they should keep the early weigh-ins and push up the other fighters to other weight classes. Obviously, the lack of a 162 or 165 weight class poses a problem, but I believe csac wanted that as well and again we have a half-assed implementation.
The problem is the half-assed way it was all implemented, imo. You've got early weigh-ins now under a lot of commissions, but not some of the other csac reforms. You also have csac letting people basically use a doctor's note to be able to compete again right away in a weight class they should be disqualified from.
For fighter safety, they should keep the early weigh-ins and push up the other fighters to other weight classes. Obviously, the lack of a 162 or 165 weight class poses a problem, but I believe csac wanted that as well and again we have a half-assed implementation.
If we're going by Dana's logic, mind as well cank the whole USADA testing,
"fighters keep failing drug tests so we're going to lessen the number of tests, so more fighters won't pop" - DFW
and not trying to stir shit or start a debate, but I thought what Big John is saying could be used as same argument against Gun Control.
"It’s a huge mistake. Why is it you would change things for the small minority of gun-owners not doing things right, pushing the envelope of what can lose their rights and penalizing all of the gun-owners who do it correctly? Does this make sense to you?"
JUST SAYing~
"fighters keep failing drug tests so we're going to lessen the number of tests, so more fighters won't pop" - DFW
and not trying to stir shit or start a debate, but I thought what Big John is saying could be used as same argument against Gun Control.
"It’s a huge mistake. Why is it you would change things for the small minority of gun-owners not doing things right, pushing the envelope of what can lose their rights and penalizing all of the gun-owners who do it correctly? Does this make sense to you?"
JUST SAYing~
This is a big step in the wrong direction. We need the 10 point plan!
Bruh, why?and not trying to stir shit or start a debate, but I thought what Big John is saying could be used as same argument against Gun Control.
"It’s a huge mistake. Why is it you would change things for the small minority of gun-owners not doing things right, pushing the envelope of what can lose their rights and penalizing all of the gun-owners who do it correctly? Does this make sense to you?"
JUST SAYing~
IDk bruh, cuz I've seen it before, just saying~Bruh, why?
Dana's favorate game is Mummy or UFC fighter-
Oh my God, someone tell me this is not real. Are they really doing this? Do they not grasp science? This is bad, very bad. Fucking WME clowns are now negatively hurting fighter's direct health. Fuck this
Help me out. I don’t see the problem.
For 20 years it was the 4pm weigh in and issues seemed to be minimal. 2 years ago they went to early weigh in and every event in every state has issues.
it's simple, fighter rehydrahation. The longer fighters have to rehydrate post weightcut the healthier they are going into the fight. This is completely ass backward what they are doing. It directly hurts the fightesr health.
In theory this makes sense. But if fighters are collapsing on the scales in the morning, it doesn’t matter how much they rehydrate. The stats of cancelled fights and fighter issues are overwhelmingly since the change.
This
It should have worked, but it didn't
For whatever reason the fighters as a "collective" screwed it up.
UFC made it easier & more fighters made it harder
It sucks but as you said it is the reality
It's a horrible idea and hurts directly fighters health. To say because more guys miss weight that you go back to a worse system makes no sense. If a guy misses weight, he would have missed weight no matter when the weigh in was held, in most circumstances. The more time you let these guys rehydrate the healthier they are, even if the percent of guys who miss weight goes up, you deal with that problem seperately You implement Andy Foster's 10 point plan and it's clear cut. Here is a brief part of a good write up by Kirik on the UG today about this.
"This is a leather helmet move – it does not fix the problem that generated the early weigh-ins. Fighters will still not have enough time to rehydrate. In an age when the dangers of concussion are becoming increasingly apparent, this is unwise, at best.
The solution to the problem of extreme weight cutting is not a return to a time of less oversight. The solution is the address the problem. There is no single fix, quick or otherwise.
Andy Foster, executive director of the California State Athletic Commission, crafted a 10 Point Plan to fix the lethal problem. It works. The ABC medical committee supports it. The ABC has adopted it. The solution is to adopt all of the points, not less"
More time to rehyrdrate, and adding a 165, putting 170 at 175, right away, would be huge things for fighter health and well being. DasRy
Adding weight classes won’t make a bit of difference. A fighter will just see the next division as 5 more lbs away. Why do you think there have been 10x the amount of cancellations due to weight cutting if early weigh ins are better? I think weight cutting is a joke and the worst part of the sport but the stats seem to say the later weigh ins were less problematic.
Dude, honestly have you read the 10 point plan and all the other things they are saying. It's not just more weight classes, you have to be at certain weights 1 month out, 2 weeks out etc...it literally is the perfect way to combat fighers trying to just balloon up.
Because even if the fighter is making weight and not missing on the weigh ins, if he keeps coming in at heavy weights 1 month out and 2 weeks out, after like 2 times the fighter will have to go up a weightclass for at least a while.
It's something that helps, what Dana is saying is not the way you want to go.
SO the "ceremonial weigh-ins" will now be the real weigh-ins? .. again?
LOL.
Te return of the towel drops is upon us.
Not even sure how to feel about it.
There should be a harsher outcome if they still miss weight at the later weigh - ins.
LOL.
Te return of the towel drops is upon us.
Not even sure how to feel about it.
There should be a harsher outcome if they still miss weight at the later weigh - ins.
you're trying to educate us with facts when we clearly just wanna hate on the bald one
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Haven't we tried this another sports? With detrimental outcomes?
How does Dana White get a say in this? I thought the weigh-ins would be athletic commission managed?
I'm obviously not that educated on the legalities.
Was listening while I typed. He says that they will work with the athletic commission to get rid of them. I suspect that the athletic commission will push back as they should
I'm obviously not that educated on the legalities.
Was listening while I typed. He says that they will work with the athletic commission to get rid of them. I suspect that the athletic commission will push back as they should
didn't CSAC implement something like that already?
They implemented exactly that. Andy Foster is the CSAC chairman as well as the ABC Chairman, and the 10 point plan is in effect in California.
Cancelled fights suck, but better to scrap a fight than to someday have a fighter die trying to make weight.
Of course fighters could just decide to go up a class if they don’t wanna make a huge cut. I don’t like the cutting either, but some of the responsibility for fighter health should be on the fighters.