During the last conference call, Andy seemed very pleased with how the 10 point plan has been working in CA. I don’t have any specific statistics.
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Except reality has weighed in and says differently.
Oh great, more fucking warnings and rules. Dana and friends have it right, K.I.S.S. and if I had my way, weigh-ins would be the same day.
Hey they tried it & the fighters (collective) f'd it up
Bottom line: if you cannot cut weight and be healthy 24 hrs after, then you are cutting too much weight & should be in a higher weight class
This is on the fighters that try to cut too much
From Meltzers Newsletter:
Mike Bohn of MMA Junkie has been charting this since the start. If you look at the two-year period from June 6, 2014 to May 30, 2016, the final two years with the weigh-ins coming late afternoon or early evening the day before the fight, 32 fighters missed weight and five of those had issues that led to them not fighting. In those 27 fights, the fighters who missed weight went 12-15, so there was no real edge gained on average.
Over the past two years, with almost exactly the same number of fights (the 2014 to 2016 period covered 950 fights while the 2016 to 2018 period covered 962), from June 4, 2017, the first show under the new system, until this past Friday’s show, there were 62 fighters who missed weight and 15 of them had issues that resulted in fights being canceled. Of those who did fight, they went 27-20. Notably there was no real edge until this past year, when fighters who missed weight have won almost every fight.
It was almost double the amount that missed weight
So weird since it seemingly made things easier
Mike Bohn of MMA Junkie has been charting this since the start. If you look at the two-year period from June 6, 2014 to May 30, 2016, the final two years with the weigh-ins coming late afternoon or early evening the day before the fight, 32 fighters missed weight and five of those had issues that led to them not fighting. In those 27 fights, the fighters who missed weight went 12-15, so there was no real edge gained on average.
Over the past two years, with almost exactly the same number of fights (the 2014 to 2016 period covered 950 fights while the 2016 to 2018 period covered 962), from June 4, 2017, the first show under the new system, until this past Friday’s show, there were 62 fighters who missed weight and 15 of them had issues that resulted in fights being canceled. Of those who did fight, they went 27-20. Notably there was no real edge until this past year, when fighters who missed weight have won almost every fight.
It was almost double the amount that missed weight
So weird since it seemingly made things easier
Horrible logic
Even worse logic honestly
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What logic?
Well at least you are honest that you where not being logical or rational
Fighters making or missing weight is a seperate issue from giving fighters enough time to rehyrate their brain post weightcut. People like Jon Mccarthy, Kirik, Dolce, know what they are talking about and science shows that more time to rehyrdate better off you are. Even for guys that are not heavy for their weightclass and make weight no problem even for them it's better to have more time post weight cut to get back to true form. Best thing would be to have no weight cuts, and just fight at what you weigh, but since we do this and the Andy Foster 10 point plan is best thing for the safety of the fighters.
No matter what rules or regs are put in place there will be athletes who will always try to find a way to game the system to get the advantage. It doesn't matter if the intent is to protect them as there will be those who think the risk reward is worth it.Well at least you are honest that you where not being logical or rational
Fighters making or missing weight is a seperate issue from giving fighters enough time to rehyrate their brain post weightcut. People like Jon Mccarthy, Kirik, Dolce, know what they are talking about and science shows that more time to rehyrdate better off you are. Even for guys that are not heavy for their weightclass and make weight no problem even for them it's better to have more time post weight cut to get back to true form. Best thing would be to have no weight cuts, and just fight at what you weigh, but since we do this and the Andy Foster 10 point plan is best thing for the safety of the fighters.
Of course there is always a few, that don't mean you do away with the measure, no one would say "hey since there are twice as many dui's in the this state we might as well make the law's easier to have less dui's. instead they stay tough and do what they got to do. We can't go around making the rehydration process less safe because some guys are not making weight and the ufc wants a higer % of on weight guys and they give no merit to fighter health.
No just no. In any avenue of logic there is always a few who wills still do whatever to break protocol. You still make it better not worse, Dana's idea is worse. Absolutely and the opposite needs to happen truly.
You're comparing drinking and driving to weight cutting?
Metaphors, how do they work
We all know how they flow
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Arrogant, well-intentioned, but rather naive.Well at least you are honest that you where not being logical or rational
Fighters making or missing weight is a seperate issue from giving fighters enough time to rehyrate their brain post weightcut. People like Jon Mccarthy, Kirik, Dolce, know what they are talking about and science shows that more time to rehyrdate better off you are. Even for guys that are not heavy for their weightclass and make weight no problem even for them it's better to have more time post weight cut to get back to true form. Best thing would be to have no weight cuts, and just fight at what you weigh, but since we do this and the Andy Foster 10 point plan is best thing for the safety of the fighters.
No it works, Andy Foster's 10 point plan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dana's retarded backward take
Fighters will always push the envelope. If you give them two days to rehydrate, they'll end up dead.
I think same day weigh ins would be good. It works in numerous other sports, including amateur MMA and boxing.
Randomised weight checks during the last week would be even better. Allowing them time to rehydrate and restricting how much they cut in the first place would obviously be the best solution. Fighters are responsible for their weight cuts but no one wants to give away 15lbs, so they'll cut.
The 10 point system is a good move.
I think same day weigh ins would be good. It works in numerous other sports, including amateur MMA and boxing.
Randomised weight checks during the last week would be even better. Allowing them time to rehydrate and restricting how much they cut in the first place would obviously be the best solution. Fighters are responsible for their weight cuts but no one wants to give away 15lbs, so they'll cut.
The 10 point system is a good move.
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Have you read about that one organization which will automatically deduct a point for every lb. the fighter is over? That's a great idea too.
Yeah, Walid is awesome, I like that idea also.
What I been saying the whole time. I don't understand what you mean by saying they will be dead wtih 2 days to rehyrdate, that would give them more time to replenish but at least you agree with me on the 10 ponit plan
If guys are managable weights 2 weeks out from the cut, the issue is solved right there, its truly that easy.
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And what if they're not?
They (fighters) will always find a way to game the system even if it's as simple as bribing.
One thing they can't outsmart are same day weigh-ins.
I have remarked on it before but I do not mind at all mentioning it again. In the 10 point plan, they have a clear way of dealing with fighters who are heavy 2 weeks out or even a month out. Essentially seems foolproof.
Let's say you are one of these guys that is making weight, you fight at 185, and you are able to be 215 to 218 2 weeks out, and then able to cut to 185. The guys you are fighting are 195 to 200 2 weeks out. Under the 10 point plan say in your next fight you are 216 2 weeks out, and your max allowable weight for 2 weeks out is I'll guess 204, they will give you a warning. Do it again your next fight and you have to move up to lhw for a minimum of fights. So after just your 2nd time coming in heavy 2 weeks out, even with you making weight no problem, you still are forced to go up to lhw for 1 or 2 or 3 fights. Then you can come back down to 185 and try again. However, if again come in heavy at over 204 2 weeks pre fight, even if you make weight, your next fight not only do you have to once more go up to 205, you have go there permanently, or for say a minimum of 2 years.
So that solves your problem of fighters trying to skirt the system. Obviously with this plan you cannot.
It is a smart way to contend with the dilemma cuzzo
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I am not sure what to think but at the very least I can concede the consequences sound well-thought out.
It works, it covers every base.
You force the fighters to stay at weights close to their weightclass a month and 2 weeks before the fight. That right there eliminates the problem, because they don't even have to worry about a stressful cut when they are near their cut weight weeks out. So everyone wins. you get healthier fighters, less weight cut misses, and you avoid the guys abusing the system who can somehow cut massive weight in 3 days.
It works, the tough part is breaking into people's unwillingness to be open to a change in process, humans, adult humans, in general by nature, are slow to open to change in process or habits.
DasRy
Also,
Romero missing weight is literally the unfortunate but perfect example. When Romero missed weight in Australia it was under the previous format, when he missed weight today it was under the new format.
So it's not the format, it's on the fighter if you make or miss weight.and you don't go and give fighters less time to rehydrate, you give them more time to rehyrdate if anything, and use the 10 point plan.
You put weigh in's anytime from 0400 am to 10 30 pm and Romero is probably gonna miss weight. However under the 10 point plan Romero would have already been forced to fight for 205 for at least a while, not even by the weight cut misses, but by coming in too heavy 2 weeks out.
Practical method delivering
Romero missing weight is literally the unfortunate but perfect example. When Romero missed weight in Australia it was under the previous format, when he missed weight today it was under the new format.
So it's not the format, it's on the fighter if you make or miss weight.and you don't go and give fighters less time to rehydrate, you give them more time to rehyrdate if anything, and use the 10 point plan.
You put weigh in's anytime from 0400 am to 10 30 pm and Romero is probably gonna miss weight. However under the 10 point plan Romero would have already been forced to fight for 205 for at least a while, not even by the weight cut misses, but by coming in too heavy 2 weeks out.
Practical method delivering
So they'll figure they can cut even more weight. With more time to recover, they'll push the envelope even more.
But under the 10 point plan that is impossible. Becuase they have to be at certain weight marker 1 month and 2 weeks out.