Dana: we're getting rid of early weigh-in, Big John: bad idea

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In theory this makes sense. But if fighters are collapsing on the scales in the morning, it doesn’t matter how much they rehydrate. The stats of cancelled fights and fighter issues are overwhelmingly since the change.
The problem is the UFC cherry-picked one change to hopefully improve fighter safety by giving them more time to rehydrate. Unsurprisingly, some fighters took advantage of that extra time to try to cut more and problems arose.
The earlier weigh ins were not designed to make it easier for fighters to make bigger cuts or make weight more often; it was entirely a safety issue. Unfortunately, without the other provisions of the 10 point plan, the early weigh ins can be easily abused.
CSAC does not intend to go back to the old way, so it will be interesting to see what happens when the UFC goes back to CA.
 
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I like the proposal.
If those guys know they'll have less time to rehydrate then they or their staff will figure out how to cut a smaller percentage of their total weight in such a short time. Great move by the UFC imo.
 
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I think weight cutting is a joke and the worst part of the sport but the stats seem to say the later weigh ins were less problematic.
Later or earlier? Because if it's "later" then I have no clue what to make of your position.

edit- it's perfectly clear what you meant, I had the reading comprehension of a fuckwit back there.
 
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MMAHAWK

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Later or earlier? Because if it's "later" then I have no clue what to make of your position.
There were way less problems with the later weigh ins. As a fan that buys a ton of tickets for events it’s hard not to want to go back to them. If fighters are always gonna be irresponsible then give me the model that didn’t cancel fights at every event.
 

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Why not give athletes a choice? They can choose to weight in in the morning, or in the afternoon at the real weigh ins?
 

MMAHAWK

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Why not give athletes a choice? They can choose to weight in in the morning, or in the afternoon at the real weigh ins?
That’s how it should be and how I thought the original early weigh in was all about. The window to make weight should be 9am to 4pm.
 
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There were way less problems with the later weigh ins. As a fan that buys a ton of tickets for events it’s hard not to want to go back to them. If fighters are always gonna be irresponsible then give me the model that didn’t cancel fights at every event.
okay.. My post only makes sense in the context of me not understanding the fundamental difference between the words: "more" and "less."
I'll leave it at that.
 

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They implemented exactly that. Andy Foster is the CSAC chairman as well as the ABC Chairman, and the 10 point plan is in effect in California.
and how's everything been with CSAC?

did they have many missed weight fiascos like other athletic commissions?
 

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Why not give athletes a choice? They can choose to weight in in the morning, or in the afternoon at the real weigh ins?
mma fighters will always choose to cut the maximum amount of weight possible after ballooning up the maximum amount of weight possible between "camps".

The concept (and the necessity) of "camps" is what causes weight cutting problems and ridiculous amounts of time off between fights. Big backwards way of training IMO. I've never seen a tent anyway.
 

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Actually now that I think of it, I'm totally in favour of going back to the old way. It was much more exciting, you got to see live in someone missed weight, and you got to see how drained certain fighters looked.

I hope they push this through. IMO if you're dumb enough to dehydrate yourself way too much, that's your cross to bear.
 

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Was listening to chael today and he made a great point “I challenge you to find one high school or NCAA wrestler who missed weight?”
Missing weight in mma is acceptable......fact
 

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IMO if you're dumb enough to dehydrate yourself way too much, that's your cross to bear.
Exactly

It is on the fighter & their team to decide the healthiest weight to fight
Not the promoter

Evening weigh-ins are fine
it is only not fine if a fighter is cutting too much weight & if they are then he should not be in that weight class
 

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Was listening to chael today and he made a great point “I challenge you to find one high school or NCAA wrestler who missed weight?”
Missing weight in mma is acceptable......fact
DC at the 2008 Olympics is in the ballpark..
 

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Chael is a decent MMA analyst but he just makes up 90% of his podcast
He once said that Vince McMahon made an offer to buy UFC & he was just going to fold it because he felt they were competition.
None of that is close to any sort of truth
 

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Of course fighters could just decide to go up a class if they don’t wanna make a huge cut. I don’t like the cutting either, but some of the responsibility for fighter health should be on the fighters.

Of course, but we also need steps that make sense what Dana is saying could not be more retarded, and it goes against science
 

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Also, folks need to understand something. Even if you make this change, and put the weigh ins back at 4pm and not in the morning and say every fighter makes weight, it's still bad. Because regardless of if more, or less, or the same % of fighters miss weight, bottom line is Dana is trying to put a measure that gives fighters less time to rehydrate their brains, that is flat out wrong.

I don't care if 80% of guys miss weight, you need to make steps that work for safety and health. Also, under the 10 point plan, not only do you get a 165 which has been overdue for years, and you move 170 to 175, they also will force fighters to be at certain weights a month out and a week out.

So folks who say "fighters can still come in heavy 2 weeks out and just cut a lot of weight" those folks make no sense. Because under the plan Andy Foster is giving, if you are at 155 you have to be at like 173 or lower 2 weeks out, so if you are at 190 2 weeks out and somehow cut to 155, even if you make weight they will give you a warning and if it happens 2 or 3 times they force you to go up in weight and that is even if you are making weight.

Andy Foster's plan> Dana's retarded going backward plan

It's that simple, truly it is, believe me