General George Floyd....did home invasion and assaulted female w a gun

[tang]

agree. But whether or not he died, what those officers did was illegal, immoral, and symptomatic of a militarized police force.

Totally agree. I have no problem with people angry, protest (peacefully), trying to raise awareness and all of that.

i just don’t like how media puts influence with trying to make this guy look like some peace-loving innocent bystander... they did not report the fentanyl and meth in his system. Even whenthe info came out about him having corona, they just dismiss it by saying he was totally asymptomatic. Really? Cuz the other report says the arteries leading to his heart was totally narrowed...

 

[Filthy]

Totally agree. I have no problem with people angry, protest (peacefully), trying to raise awareness and all of that.

i just don’t like how media puts influence with trying to make this guy look like some peace-loving innocent bystander... they did not report the fentanyl and meth in his system. Even whenthe info came out about him having corona, they just dismiss it by saying he was totally asymptomatic. Really? Cuz the other report says the arteries leading to his heart was totally narrowed...

I think that talking about those points is irrelevant to the issue. It's casting blame on a guy who was (IMAO) blameless in his death. Even if he passed a fake $20, high on fentanyl, spreading COVID, and with a criminal history.

doesn't matter. He was a suspect, innocent in the eyes of the law, and he was killed without compunction.

 

[steroid to heaven]

the a-hole cop who accidentally killed floyd (who was also an a-hole with a criminal record and 6 years in prison) should not be a cop

but this isnt a racial issue. its just about 2 a-holes colliding. its not like the cop said "ooh look a black man, i am going to kill him" the peanut gallery watching and telling the cop to get off made him stay on top longer. i bet he'd still be alive if he followed chris rocks rules.

btw 2 of the cops involved were asian. theyre all in trouble and the justice system will get em.

if floyd was any other race would there have been protests? if cop was any other race would there be protests?

last time i got pulled over the cop was black, but i didnt think i was targeted due to racism. i was polite and 100% cooperative and he let me go, just like the last white cop did for me. race isnt and wasnt an issue.
however i coulda behaved like an a-hole and made it into a big deal. i would expect to be roughed up if i resisted arrest. u can find lots of white folks in this predicament. there are bad people and bad cops, but most are ok.

my personal policy is: dont piss off cops

 

[tang]

I think that talking about those points is irrelevant to the issue. It's casting blame on a guy who was (IMAO) blameless in his death. Even if he passed a fake $20, high on fentanyl, spreading COVID, and with a criminal history.

doesn't matter. He was a suspect, innocent in the eyes of the law, and he was killed without compunction.

do you think all this is a racial issue?

 

[Filthy]

do you think all this is a racial issue?

i think if that was a 60 white guy, it's unlikely he responds to the police in the same way, or is handled by the police the same way.

 

[tang]

i think if that was a 60 white guy, it's unlikely he responds to the police in the same way, or is handled by the police the same way.

do you know if the cops ran his info before all this happened?

 

[Filthy]

do you know if the cops ran his info before all this happened?

i don't think so, but they might have. Regardless, I didn't see anything on video (so far) which indicates a level of resistance commiserate with the level of restraint.

 

[Filthy]

the a-hole cop who accidentally killed floyd (who was also an a-hole with a criminal record and 6 years in prison) should not be a cop

but this isnt a racial issue. its just about 2 a-holes colliding. its not like the cop said "ooh look a black man, i am going to kill him" the peanut gallery watching and telling the cop to get off made him stay on top longer. i bet he'd still be alive if he followed chris rocks rules.

btw 2 of the cops involved were asian. theyre all in trouble and the justice system will get em.

if floyd was any other race would there have been protests? if cop was any other race would there be protests?

last time i got pulled over the cop was black, but i didnt think i was targeted due to racism. i was polite and 100% cooperative and he let me go, just like the last white cop did for me. race isnt and wasnt an issue.
however i coulda behaved like an a-hole and made it into a big deal. i would expect to be roughed up if i resisted arrest. u can find lots of white folks in this predicament. there are bad people and bad cops, but most are ok.

my personal policy is: dont piss off cops

it seems like it's a lot easier to piss off cops if you're a young black male.

 

[tang]

i don't think so, but they might have. Regardless, I didn't see anything on video (so far) which indicates a level of resistance commiserate with the level of restraint.

sure.

but if you were a cop, and ran the info on a guy, happens to be a convicted felon, wouldn't you go into a different mindset of how to handle the guy? especially after being reported by a store owner of his wrong doings?

(Not trying to justify the cops action, I'm just trying to see if it was racially motivated... trying to piece all the details)

 

[Filthy]

sure.

but if you were a cop, and ran the info on a guy, happens to be a convicted felon, wouldn't you go into a different mindset of how to handle the guy? especially after being reported by a store owner of his wrong doings?

(Not trying to justify the cops action, I'm just trying to see if it was racially motivated... trying to piece all the details)

i'd like to think i wouldn't be so callous as to hold someone in that position for 2 m after he lost consciousness.

 

[tang]

i'd like to think i wouldn't be so callous as to hold someone in that position for 2 m after he lost consciousness.

right. so dude was a fuckin psycho. maybe not a racist? given that he also had a Asian wife

 

[Filthy]

right. so dude was a fuckin psycho. maybe not a racist? given that he also had a Asian wife

i'd say it's more a reflection of the systemic racism in how some races are perceived and treat by cops.
He was very comfortable with that level of abuse towards a black man, not sure if it's the same for a white woman. That would be a pyscho.

 

[tang]

i'd say it's more a reflection of the systemic racism in how some races are perceived and treat by cops.
He was very comfortable with that level of abuse towards a black man, not sure if it's the same for a white woman. That would be a pyscho.

mm.. people throw out systemic racism but at the same time, nobody wants to go live in a black hood to diversify and fade the racism away.

I'm not saying you but that's how I feel about most people trying to say something about it. they're not doing jackshit about the black communities themselves (well... except for posting black screens on social media) but want to go blame the systemic racism is kind of hypocrite imo

 

[Toelocku]

Everytime I get close to wanting to post here again, I see threads like this and completely lose faith that the Far Right crew in here is so closed minded and out of touch to any actual truth. You have a thread now, where people on purpose on this forum will detract fromwhy folks are protesting, you will act like most are looters, you will ignore the fact we have the worst president in our history whonow Gen Mattis and anohter prominent general tore up yesterday, you will ignore the fact that William Barr will go down as the most corrupt AG in US history, and he showed his hand by never designating all these KKK groups as terrorist, but doing it to Antifa, which is not even an actual group. Taking photo ops, violating peoples const rights to take pictures for Judas Evangelicals, an attorney general who has not once mentioned there are Far Right people at these protests with guns attacking peaecful protests, an attorney general who has not mentioned that police are spraying rubber bullets at peaceful protestors

No, you will put all your energry into looking for strange reasons to justify not evolving, this is exactly the type of thread that keeps stopping me from jumping back on here. George Floyd, none of you knew him, he would be the worst preson to the best to in between, it was not about him, he is the symbol its about finally getting justice and true fairness.

Its about getting rid of warrior training by a scumbag named Dan Bongino who lobbied police depts to usethis, where they train them and tellthem they better be ready to kill

its about making Law Changes, SOP changes for police, bodycams that move when active, for the safety of the citizen and the law enforcement

Its about understand that Black Lives Matter and if you are the person that can only say All lives Matter, you will never get it.

If your moral compass is in the right direction yuou will fight with me to get warrior training gone, to have people like Hannity and Ingraham be held accountable.

Thousands are dead because of them yet so many of you gave them a pass, they literally told American corona was a fake thing that democrats where using, they said this in feb and march, while internally there is proof the fox producers sent them memos onhow bad it is and for them to sit far apart at their desks and many other things, they where aware, yet instead of holding them accountable and putting them in jail, you idly said nothing and now they are still lying and misleading America on now this George Floyd and natio9nal protest isssue


Some of you just refuse to see truth, I actually look at both sides, on this forum I will come across as Lib but im independent but it makes me sad how so many Far Right folks cant even research stuff.

SMH, come on people

No one is saying we don't need police reform but you are ignoring the MASSIVE problem that criminals are being emboldened to roit and loot which ironically will mostly harm the poor and minorities

Maybe you overlook this because you've been conditioned to reflexively defend shit behaviour because the media stokes hatred due to muh racism

Your mindset is just as toxic as the people you condemn in your post maybe even more so

Yes police reform is a must and so is a populus that respects others private property and safety

 

[Toelocku]

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[Filthy]

No one is saying we don't need police reform but you are ignoring the MASSIVE problem that criminals are being emboldened to roit and loot which ironically will mostly harm the poor and minorities

Maybe you overlook this because you've been conditioned to reflexively defend shit behaviour because the media stokes hatred due to muh racism

Your mindset is just as toxic as the people you condemn in your post maybe even more so

Yes police reform is a must and so is a populus that respects others private property and safety

i think the heavy-handed and militaristic approach of the police towards peaceful protests also feed the rioting and violence.
How likely do you think it is that police, Feds, antiFa/ProudBoys, would use agent provocateurs to incite riots?

or do you think a large percentage of the people marching for police reform are actually criminals?

 

[Toelocku]

i think the heavy-handed and militaristic approach of the police towards peaceful protests also feed the rioting and violence.
How likely do you think it is that police, Feds, antiFa/ProudBoys, would use agent provocateurs to incite riots?

or do you think a large percentage of the people marching for police reform are actually criminals?

Peaceful protest is as American as apple pie but when u say 'militarized' what exactly do you mean?

Cops definitely use provocateurs on occasion which is bullshit but all this looting was because a standown order was given which was a green light to the mob...this is UNACCEPTABLE and less than lethal forced should be used EVERYTIME

 

[nuraknu]

Most of us on this site live in different places, and face different issues, so if it offers a different perspective:

-The only times my husband has been pulled over by police just to give him a hard time for no reason have been when one of our darker-skinned friends was in the car with him (this happened at least twice).

-There has been a bit of a problem in Brooklyn with white people moving into traditionally black and hispanic areas and then calling police on people for things like loud birthday parties. Every once in a while you see a post somewhere with someone complaining about it -- how they brag about tolerance and cultural diversity and things like that, but then don't actually like the other cultures and give people a hard time. (Obviously this is a mixed issue that can really only be judged on a case by case basis, but it is an issue.)

-I don't like the violence at all, but I am fine with this whole thing with protests etc. blowing up over black lives matter, which focuses on a real aspect of the larger issues.

I think there is a racism problem, but I agree this is not always the trigger for police brutality and there are also a lot of other problems with cops. I'm hoping the kinds of reforms we actually see in policing as a result of all this will benefit everyone. So far, I haven't seen many actual policy changes being discussed or implemented by local governments focused solely on black people. Mostly they seem to be general changes that apply to everyone, like de-escalation training or first responders for mental health issues, and I think that's great.

Seems like BLM is doing a lot of work for the rest of us too on this one. But of course, we'll have to see how it all turns out in the end to know for sure how it will all turn out in the end, right?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

i don't think so, but they might have. Regardless, I didn't see anything on video (so far) which indicates a level of resistance commiserate with the level of restraint.

People are kind of glossing over how big Floyd was.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Most of us on this site live in different places, and face different issues, so if it offers a different perspective:

-The only times my husband has been pulled over by police just to give him a hard time for no reason have been when one of our darker-skinned friends was in the car with him (this happened at least twice).

-There has been a bit of a problem in Brooklyn with white people moving into traditionally black and hispanic areas and then calling police on people for things like loud birthday parties. Every once in a while you see a post somewhere with someone complaining about it -- how they brag about tolerance and cultural diversity and things like that, but then don't actually like the other cultures and give people a hard time. (Obviously this is a mixed issue that can really only be judged on a case by case basis, but it is an issue.)

-I don't like the violence at all, but I am fine with this whole thing with protests etc. blowing up over black lives matter, which focuses on a real aspect of the larger issues.

I think there is a racism problem, but I agree this is not always the trigger for police brutality and there are also a lot of other problems with cops. I'm hoping the kinds of reforms we actually see in policing as a result of all this will benefit everyone. So far, I haven't seen many actual policy changes being discussed or implemented by local governments focused solely on black people. Mostly they seem to be general changes that apply to everyone, like de-escalation training or first responders for mental health issues, and I think that's great.

Seems like BLM is doing a lot of work for the rest of us too on this one. But of course, we'll have to see how it all turns out in the end to know for sure how it will all turn out in the end, right?

I'm noticing a disingenuous narrative taking hold from BLM in which they minimize and marginalize any other form of bigotry unless its against blacks.

 

[Eric Trump]

its not enough for these assholes if you say that you want everyone to prosper. You need to mention black people specifically otherwise you are a racist

 

[nuraknu]

I'm noticing a disingenuous narrative taking hold from BLM in which they minimize and marginalize any other form of bigotry unless its against blacks.

its not enough for these assholes if you say that you want everyone to prosper. You need to mention black people specifically otherwise you are a racist

A lot of the people I have seen with that problem are offended by all of the people who respond to those saying that "black lives matter" by saying "all lives matter" and criticizing people for saying blm. If you think all lives matter, the idea is you should not be so uncomfortable saying that black lives matter. By not being able to say that, or not being comfortable with others saying that when they're trying to address a specific issue and get people talking and thinking about it, you're perpetuating the idea that the black people part of that can be swept under the rug, as they have felt swept under the rug over these issues for a long time. So that's why it's perceived as racist, while other people seem to perceive BLM as racist because they view it as a negative statement meant to exclude everyone else rather than a simple positive statement addressing one major aspect of the larger racism issue.

I can see the different sides of the issue. Right now, they feel like they need to keep the focus on blacks because it is very easy for many people to be glad of another side to think about, or another group, or another problem. I don't know if it's right or wrong, I just think it's a technique to keep the issue front and center, and maybe get something done about it.

I have seen what you're saying in terms of there being some people who are clearly racist themselves, much like the other side of the coin of the white supremacists, but I don't believe that those people are the majority, at least not the majority that I've seen.

 

[Eric Trump]

A lot of the people I have seen with that problem are offended by all of the people who respond to those saying that "black lives matter" by saying "all lives matter" and criticizing people for saying blm. If you think all lives matter, the idea is you should not be so uncomfortable saying that black lives matter. By not being able to say that, or not being comfortable with others saying that when they're trying to address a specific issue and get people talking and thinking about it, you're perpetuating the idea that the black people part of that can be swept under the rug, as they have felt swept under the rug over these issues for a long time. So that's why it's perceived as racist, while other people seem to perceive BLM as racist because they view it as a negative statement meant to exclude everyone else rather than a simple positive statement addressing one major aspect of the larger racism issue.

I can see the different sides of the issue. Right now, they feel like they need to keep the focus on blacks because it is very easy for many people to be glad of another side to think about, or another group, or another problem. I don't know if it's right or wrong, I just think it's a technique to keep the issue front and center, and maybe get something done about it.

I have seen what you're saying in terms of there being some people who are clearly racist themselves, much like the other side of the coin of the white supremacists, but I don't believe that those people are the majority, at least not the majority that I've seen.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

A lot of the people I have seen with that problem are offended by all of the people who respond to those saying that "black lives matter" by saying "all lives matter" and criticizing people for saying blm. If you think all lives matter, the idea is you should not be so uncomfortable saying that black lives matter.

I don't have any problem with BLM as a statement, or groups (black or otherwise) bringing attention to discrimination they face. I do have issue with a black guy writing an op ed in the local paper in which he declares that no one who isn't black could possibly understand what black people face, as if being Jewish has been a walk in the park, and it's that attitude that I've watched become frighteningly prevalent over the past week and a bit.

 

[Too swole to control]

A lot of the people I have seen with that problem are offended by all of the people who respond to those saying that "black lives matter" by saying "all lives matter" and criticizing people for saying blm. If you think all lives matter, the idea is you should not be so uncomfortable saying that black lives matter. By not being able to say that, or not being comfortable with others saying that when they're trying to address a specific issue and get people talking and thinking about it, you're perpetuating the idea that the black people part of that can be swept under the rug, as they have felt swept under the rug over these issues for a long time. So that's why it's perceived as racist, while other people seem to perceive BLM as racist because they view it as a negative statement meant to exclude everyone else rather than a simple positive statement addressing one major aspect of the larger racism issue.

I can see the different sides of the issue. Right now, they feel like they need to keep the focus on blacks because it is very easy for many people to be glad of another side to think about, or another group, or another problem. I don't know if it's right or wrong, I just think it's a technique to keep the issue front and center, and maybe get something done about it.

I have seen what you're saying in terms of there being some people who are clearly racist themselves, much like the other side of the coin of the white supremacists, but I don't believe that those people are the majority, at least not the majority that I've seen.

More white ppl are killed by cops than blacks.
Would you be ok w a white lives matter group?
Maybe one that uses violence a lot?