great fight but doubt they'll ever fight
Gracie clan usually don't fight each other, other than in the gym
Gracie clan usually don't fight each other, other than in the gym
When you've won in the manner Ortega has & lost more rounds than you've won, yes. Unless you think dropping the first 14:40 to Guida & then hitting him with that knee, or getting dominated by Moicano & then having Moicano dive into a guillotine was the plan all along, I'm not sure how this is an argument
the ability to capitalize on a mistake, especially late in the fight when physical and mental fatigue are dominant factors, doesn't count as "luck" in my book.
getting dominated & counting on them to make a mistake to capitalize on late, does count as luck in my book
everybody makes mistakes. people make more mistakes when they're tired.
It's hard to capitalize on mistakes when you're tired.
Being able to finish fights when people make mistakes isn't luck.
He threw that knee to knock out Guida.
He slapped an inescapable guillotine on a guy when both were tired and slick with sweat.
it seems like, by your definition, almost every fight that wasn't a one-sided ass-kicking was decided by 'luck'.
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I hadn't thought about that. Nonetheless, I'd like to see Ortega fight Diaz regardless of whatever happens in either fighter's next match.
Being able to capitalize on a mistake is great, counting on your opponent to do something stupid in fight's you're way behind in order to capitalize on that is not, & I doubt it was something Ortega was hoping to have to count on in the past or is hoping to count on in the future.
I haven't said anything of the sort, but have a good day.
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I definitely wouldn't call someone like Ortega lucky, but he has been a bit fortunate that his opponents shit the bed or made mistakes in round 3 of some of his fights.
You can't tell me it was part of his strategy to lose the first 2 rounds against Guida and Moicano.
of course not, it's never the strategy to lose a round...or any part of the fight. But I also think that a 'strategy' that focuses on finishing a guy like Clay Guida in the 1st round isn't a very good one. When Brian fought Clay, he'd only been finished in the first round once, and that was the previous fight against Thiago Tavares by a guillotine submission.
I guess my point is that some guys go in there looking to finish, and when the opportunity presents itself, they execute. I don't consider it 'lucky' that your opponent makes a mistake - everybody makes a mistake. But if you watch the Moicano or Guida fight, those guys weren't spamming mistakes for 3 rounds. They fought excellent game plans, and they were being highly successful.
Until they made a mistake, and Brian put them away.