Society Why do Regular Citizens Need Assault Weapons?

[RaginCajun]

I bet almost none of the guns used in these killings(New Orleans Murder Map 2018) were legally bought. So the problem is much bigger than just gun sales. There is a huge portion of people that believe that owning a gun makes you a man or makes your dick bigger. It is not just a gun issue but a people with guns issue which is much harder to fix.

 

[Rambo John J]

This is flawed logic. I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over.

Something can go wrong (premise)

Therefore, something will go wrong (invalid conclusion).


Here's a fact for everyone - The last 4 mass shootings, which have killed a total of 150 people, were all done with the same assault weapon, an AR-15.

sorry your repeating, I don't engage these threads often so I didn't hear u earlier.

how many were on prescription drugs?

 

[Shinkicker]

Carter passed a law that would provide federal funding to mental health institutions. Reagan decided that was too expensive, so he repealed it and made it so we can't forcibly institutionalize someone which meant a lot of crazy people had to be released back into society. Our answer now is to put people on drugs which we know isn't working.

Side note: Reagan was shot by a crazy person.

Our state as well as many others had massive shut downs of mental health organizations during the Obama administration due to lack of funding. I'm not sure if it was state or federal funding though. The fact that it was more than one state leads me to believe that federal funding was cut. Maybe @Splinty would know.

 

[Rambo John J]

Not to my knowledge

U ever fire a gun?
just curious

 

[b00ts]

I bet almost none of the guns used in these killings(New Orleans Murder Map 2018) were legally bought. So the problem is much bigger than just gun sales. There is a huge portion of people that believe that owning a gun makes you a man or makes your dick bigger. It is not just a gun issue but a people with guns issue which is much harder to fix.

The city has failed the poor in NOLA. Multidimensional poverty leads to violence in those neighborhoods.

 

[RaginCajun]

The city has failed the poor in NOLA. Multidimensional poverty leads to violence in those neighborhoods.

Gun violence has been glamorized in culture and with guns being so easy to get, it will only get worse. Not an easy fix.

 

[Rambo John J]

U ever fire a gun?
just curious

fair question @conor mcgregor nut hugger

 

[Rambo John J]

Gun violence has been glamorized in culture and with guns being so easy to get, it will only get worse. Not an easy fix.

this is true...the propaganda is strong and intentional...targets groups and glorifies "thug life" "drug/violence culture"

 

[Rambo John J]

fair question @conor mcgregor nut hugger

@conor mcgregor nut hugger why is this so offensive? I have no point to make regardless of your answer

 

[Rambo John J]

Order of threats that need addressed

1 Prescription Meds

2 Propaganda of Violence is fun

3 Guns

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

How does a detachable magazine make a gun “fancy”? I can reload a revolver with speed loaders just as fast as a magazine fed pistol. So by banning magazine fed weapons, what are you accomplishing?

The assault weapon ban is only a portion of what I want. Honestly its lower down too on my list.

I am really more concerned with giving our brave law enforcement more funding, more metal detectors, more mental health counseling, so even though I want the assault ban, frankly I would be at least somewhat happy if we had some of the other more key measures.

 

[b00ts]

Order of threats that need addressed

1 Prescription Meds

2 Propaganda of Violence is fun

3 Guns

As long as they don’t try to take my Counter Strike away again.

 

[Filthy]

I'd rather not single people out but I guess it's necessary.

@ConorMcGregorsBeard @Filthy @Hauler @the_b00ts:

Do you think you guys can stop arguing minute semantics and try to have a productive discussion?

The most important thing is not you being right. Try to focus.

nice 'group ad hominem'. We have been discussing.
Consensus seems to be that the laws are plenty strict for preventing this type of atrocity, and that banning certain (or even all) firearms would come at an unjustifiably large social and financial cost.

So we're going to focus on early diagnosis and de-stigmatization of mental health issues, and we're going to fund it by ending the drug war and corporate subsidies.

Thanks for participating, here's your trophy.

 

[Hauler]

Here's a fact for everyone - The last 4 mass shootings, which have killed a total of 150 people, were all done with the same assault weapon, an AR-15.

Orlando was a Sig Sauer MCX. Not an AR-15 platform weapon.

Sutherland Springs was a Ruger AR-556, which is part of that platform. Although if I remember correctly, the shooter was eventually taken out by a citizen with his own AR style weapon.

The Vegas dude had an arsenal up there.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

It's beyond obvious the vetting process is in shambles, laws have to change. Particular types of guns needs to be outlawed. So many things need to happen.

No 19 year old kid should be able to buy firearms legally when you can't even buy beer at that age. Makes no fucking sense.

The shooter in San Antonio who was kicked out of the Air Force had multiple violent crime arrest, yet was still able to legally buy firearms. Makes no fucking sense.

The shooter in San Bernadino had actually made a threat about killing americans at his workplace 3 years or so before he killed all those people. Plus one of the places that he tried to buy a gun from even reported him to the FBI, yet he still legally bought a firearm.

The LAS vegas shooter had a complete arsenal, like an arsenal you would see at the expendable movies in his hotel arm. It's insane that you can legally buy that many weapons and no bells and whistles go off. there is no cap on it. No one puts any kind of limit on how much you can buy legally. Makes no sense.

You know why all this happens?

because of the NRA and their lobbying efforts and they basically fund and put in office most of the GOP. So the GOP pussies rather do nothing for fear of not getting the NRA support and maybe being voted out of office.

If the Republicans did not pander and allow teh NRA to get to this level, all of this could have been rooted out or at least better laws would be in place to not let this happen.

At this point, the Republiccans in power and Politicians in general so are bent on making sure tey are relected that they are willing to let the NRA dictate terms.

Shame on any human who does not see the problem with this. Shame on all you gun owners that contrubute to the NRA instead of callign them out on their moral ineptness.

The Politicios, especially the Repubs and any of you who support the NRA are the problem and why are kids are getting murdered more than ever in our schools.

 

[b00ts]

No 19 year old kid should be able to buy firearms legally when you can't even buy beer at that age. Makes no fucking sense.

Before my 19th birthday, I had already been engaged in two separate fire fights in Iraq. One of which I was a .50 cal gunner.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Before my 19th birthday, I had already been engaged in two separate fire fights in Iraq. One of which I was a .50 cal gunner.

Yet stateside you could not even legally buy a beer to drink. Step back and think about that. It's one thing to be in the military, in an actual mission, with trained people all around you.

Compared to being unstable, as most of us are at that age, not being able to buy a beer because society feels your judgement at that age is not where it needs to be and then go and buy not just a weapon legally, but weapon upon weapons.

THere is something inherently wrong with that. Thank you for your service by the way. I may ask you some questions on a later day. My little brother is 29 and 2 months ago he told me he is joining the Air Force and he goes to basic training in May or more likely June. SO I probably make a thread asking some questions in a few weeks or a month.

 

[mysticmac]

No 19 year old kid should be able to buy firearms legally when you can't even buy beer at that age. Makes no fucking sense.

So they should be able to use guns in the military, but shouldn't be allowed to own them?

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

So they should be able to use guns in the military, but shouldn't be allowed to own them?

You don't see the difference between someone in a war zone, surrounded by hundreds or more of equally trained warriors, in Iraq, fighting a war, compared to chilling back at home in the states?

If you are 19 years old, fought in a war, come back home at 19 and you can't wait 18 months until you turn 21 to then buy a gun there is a problem there.

THey also drive tanks in the military as well, so should they be allowed to come back home and go drink a tank on the beltway?

Again, if you are a year or 2 away from being 21 years old and you can't find anything better to do with yourself than shoot a gun when you are back at home, there is truly a problem there.

Why do you think you are not allowed to legally buy a beer until 21, is it because the goverment just wants to be mean? Or is maybe something to do wtih teh judgement of people at that age.

 

[Wintermute]

We are making it easy to defend yourself against a lot of people too.

And yet, I don't hear stories about citizens stopping rampages like this because they were lawfully exercising their 2nd Amendment rights by owning and legally carrying a firearm, and were there when someone opened fire in a movie theater.

The reasoning behind the second amendment is sound and I support it, but it seems extremely, disproportiately rare that you hear about anyone using a gun for its intended, constitutionally-supported purpose. Refering to private citizens in defensive situations here, not police or military.

For the record I own and train with several firearms.

 

[La Paix]

@conor mcgregor nut hugger I'm not reading all 16 pages at this point. Can you tell me if anyone has answered your question directly please?

 

[b00ts]

And yet, I don't hear stories about citizens stopping rampages like this because they were lawfully exercising their 2nd Amendment rights by owning and legally carrying a firearm, and were there when someone opened fire in a movie theater.

There’s stories often, actually... and movie theaters are gun free zones.

 

[RaginCajun]

@conor mcgregor nut hugger I'm not reading all 16 pages at this point. Can you tell me if anyone has answered your question directly please?

Your avatar pic is entertaining and fitting.

 

[Hauler]

And yet, I don't hear stories about citizens stopping rampages like this because they were lawfully exercising their 2nd Amendment rights by owning and legally carrying a firearm, and were there when someone opened fire

The church shooting in Texas. They fired upon the shooter then chased his ass down.

 

[Deleted member 1]

@conor mcgregor nut hugger I'm not reading all 16 pages at this point. Can you tell me if anyone has answered your question directly please?

I did but you'll really not like my answer.

Because we can and it's fun.

"Why does somebody need such a fast car?" Is just as valid a question to why does somebody need an assault weapon.

The former kills many more people a year than the latter. And in fact excessive speed is the number one reason for somebody to die in a vehicle accident.

The former and the latter answer is simply, "because I can and it's fun".

Both questions fail to really address the issue and are simply red herrings.

Nobody needs an assault weapon. I'm not sure anybody needs a gun at all.

We still shouldn't Institute of ban on assault weapons unless you have the mindset that we should ban all guns, which some people want to do.

Assault weapons arent particularly more dangerous than other modern guns, and when we already did ban them it didn't help our goals but did divide the conversation. They should be regulated pretty much the same as other guns.