Conor BusGate "Victims" are LOSING THEIR MINDS

[Rambo John J]

I spent a lot of time trying to make my position known, as have others, including those that disagree with me. I appreciate their effort to debate without attacking me for my position.

I wtf you because suddenly there's a post just sort of throwing all of said efforts in the trash for an unclear an arbitrary reason.



I'm a physician quoting the DSM on the literal defintional criteria of ptsd while suggesting reasons to believe a public statement by a fighter. Not to toot my own horn, but I'd hope that would be a welcome addition to a forum input.

Well, you are one of the only ones I felt were portraying the proper and logical side of the argument/debate....I fully agreed with you and found it baffling people are arguing the mental status of a respected and honorable fighter.

I also am baffled at how words such as classless and immature are allowed to be in an opening post about a fighter who did nothing wrong in the Event being referred to.

Thread is in bad taste IMO...I find the opening post to be attacking and therefore any support of it misguided.

For the record I do think she may be milking it or she may be having actual harmful repercussions/stress from the event...but that is not for us to decide...that is for doctors and the court system if she chooses to take it there.

Basically, I felt everyone was a bit out of their lane except you.

As usual I worded it a bit poorly, cause I suck at being eloquent.

I don't think all in thread are not smart MMA fans or 100% immature, but this thread does show some tendencies of those...I just feel people pick sides of their favorite fighter and ignore logic and reason, and even science.

Furthermore, the opening post attempts to discredit any claim the fighters on bus have of being a "victim" and instead paints conor as the victim...it is laughable and illogical

 

[tang]

There is no emotional or psychological healing required from her involvement in that incident.
Insistence to the contrary makes a mockery of what real psycholgical stress and trauma are.

maybe the trauma was from something else.

it's common that similar situations or some kind of trigger could bring out the old PTSD,
happens to old vets all the time where they live their entire life without having a nightmare but one simple thing many years later reminds them of one incident from the past and breaks down.

none of us have Rose's medical records, everyone is throwing out what should and shouldn't be from their own personal inference.

 

[Rambo John J]

maybe the trauma was from something else.

it's common that similar situations or some kind of trigger could bring out the old PTSD,
happens to old vets all the time where they live their entire life without having a nightmare but one simple thing many years later reminds them of one incident from the past and breaks down.

none of us have Rose's medical records, everyone is throwing out what should and shouldn't be from their own personal inference.

Rose deserves respect and the benefit of a doubt IMO...pure class human and fighter from what I know of her

 

[La Paix]

@Splinty & @BirdWatcher

honestly curious if you think this is a good thread or discussion

Splinty WTF rated me so I don't know his feelings and I get Birdwatchers view of my post....is my post really out of line from the rest of the bickering in this thread?

Yes. The thread is about Mikes case with Conor and of course Rose has been brought up too. Your post is not about the lawsuit at all, it's about you.

You start with telling us you're choosing to not quote in this ridiculous thread but in earlier when you did you were cordial. You then let us all know that you listened to two podcasts and that this has made you realize that that is what you come to MMA forums looking for...Educated Mature MMA discussion free from drama (obviously suggesting those who in here aren't educated or mature, just looking for drama).

I just don't feel it was a "high horse" position...I just felt real discussion of actual fights is what I prefer from a MMA forum

If discussing real fights only is your preference then create or comment in those threads specifically. I'm calling it high horse because you're passing judgement on members fandom and MMA knowledge because it doesn't suit your personal criteria of what should be discussed here.

@BirdWatcher if you really feel I should only read threads, then revoke my privileges if you feel that is fair and just.

This was my comment, never said you should do nothing but read threads.

Instead of dropping in to be passive aggressive and infer that those having a discussion in here aren't Educated Mature MMA fans perhaps go into read only mode...

Plus, the deflection of the responsibility from Conor seems dishonest at best..

It's been posted multiple times that Conor's actions aren't excuseable or justified in here. The pending case from Mike is the topic.

 

[Rambo John J]

Yes. The thread is about Mikes case with Conor and of course Rose has been brought up too. Your post is not about the lawsuit at all, it's about you.

You start with telling us you're choosing to not quote in this ridiculous thread but in earlier when you did you were cordial. You then let us all know that you listened to two podcasts and that this has made you realize that that is what you come to MMA forums looking for...Educated Mature MMA discussion free from drama (obviously suggesting those who in here aren't educated or mature, just looking for drama).


If discussing real fights only is your preference then create or comment in those threads specifically. I'm calling it high horse because you're passing judgement on members fandom and MMA knowledge because it doesn't suit your personal criteria of what should be discussed here.


This was my comment, never said you should do nothing but read threads.

Instead of dropping in to be passive aggressive and infer that those having a discussion in here aren't Educated Mature MMA fans perhaps go into read only mode...


It's been posted multiple times that Conor's actions aren't excuseable or justified in here. The pending case from Mike is the topic.

fair enough..thanks for response

I certainly used a broad brush to paint the thread and I don't actually think all of the posters here are uneducated or immature, but some of the posts appear to be that to me...I just don't like people dragging fighters thru the dirt and rose has only been class in my view.

The first post and even the second post are certainly casting a disparaging light on the fighters they mention...even possibly fighter bashing. Not sure why that is allowed or not pointed out, but it is not for me to decide so that out of my hands obviously.

as for jon jones and my view of him...yes I don't think he is ethical or morally just in many of his actions...there is a mound of evidence to support this...I can't think of a single thing Rose has done to be called out like she has been in this thread...so I am basically defending/whiteknighting for her.

was just wanting people to stop talking junk on her integrity, nothing more

Thanks again for the response, thoughts and time

Back to bellator thread for me

take care

 

[1031]

so....I'm agreeing with @blank when he agrees with you.
Think of it as the transitive property of agreement equality.

After you learn to read, you can read about math.

No idea what you're getting at Einstein, you'll have to dumb it down for me....*edit* ahhhhhh, reading comprehension activated.

 

[FrankieNYC]

No idea what you're getting at Einstein, you'll have to dumb it down for me.

Something about a transvestite was on his property

Spoiler

Trying to lighten up a weirdly heavy thread

 

[1031]

But I can't find anything to indicate that Rose is that kind of a person. And if she's suffering from symptoms of PTSD, Conor should be accountable.

Fair observation, I'm just doubtful how "accountable" Conor should be.
What I mean is: yes it was immature and reckless to do what he did.
But the other men and women on the bus weren't traumatized. The rest of the world shouldn't be held responsible for every little mishap that "triggers" a person.
She's the champ, she has had to sacrifice and dedicate and focus to the nth degree. She gets exposed to loud crowds, walks to her fights down a gauntlet of screaming fans, gets physically attacked once locked in a cage, surrounded by bright lights, etc.
Yet a window breaking requires therapy? That's weaving the yarn a bit.

 

[member 3289]

Spoiler

Trying to lighten up a weirdly heavy thread

The truth hurts sometimes. I try to go about things in a lighthearted way 90% of the time, but sometimes I just have to tell it like it is.

Not everyone is ready for it, as you can see...

 

[1031]

For the record I do think she may be milking it

And why would she do that???

 

[Rambo John J]

And why would she do that???

$$$ but its not my place to judge her state of mind

please don't try to bait me if that is what you are doing...I am not interested in insincere conversation...if not then my answer is above

 

[1031]

$$$ but its not my place to judge her state of mind

please don't try to bait me if that is what you are doing...I am not interested in insincere conversation...if not then my answer is above

Bait you?
*I'm not sure how you'te defining that but my goal is to explain why some of us are calling it as we are.*
But yeah $$$ seems a likely motivator.
To me, frivolous and financially motivated claims of trauma are cold and calculated.

 

[Rambo John J]

Bait you?
But yeah $$$ seems a likely motivator.
To me, frivolous and financially motivated claims of trauma are cold and calculated.

Don't quote half of a sentence to try and help make your point.

Ur transparent

 

[1031]

Don't quote half of a sentence to try and help make your point.

Ur transparent

But that was the point worth focusing on.
I was unaware that is breaking some technical rule of discussion.
*edit* I'll edit my previous post to make it more clear. Beyond that I can't help you.

 

[lsa]

He's trying to make amends. It's on others to be adults and forgive.

Trying to make amends with a freaking IG post?
An apology is done face to face or at least a phone call not some social media private message.

 

[RaginCajun]

Breaking News: Conor McGregor hand delivered apology to fighters on bus...

 

[Yossarian]

What's the criteria for ptsd?

Oh here I'll tell you:

Criterion A (one required): The person was exposed to: death, threatened death, actual or threatened serious injury, or actual or threatened sexual violence, in the following way(s):

Direct exposure
Witnessing the trauma
Learning that a relative or close friend was exposed to a trauma
Indirect exposure to aversive details of the trauma, usually in the course of professional duties (e.g., first responders, medics)
Criterion B (one required): The traumatic event is persistently re-experienced, in the following way(s):

Unwanted upsetting memories
Nightmares
Flashbacks
Emotional distress after exposure to traumatic reminders
Physical reactivity after exposure to traumatic reminders
Criterion C (one required): Avoidance of trauma-related stimuli after the trauma, in the following way(s):

Trauma-related thoughts or feelings
Trauma-related reminders
Criterion D (two required): Negative thoughts or feelings that began or worsened after the trauma, in the following way(s):

Inability to recall key features of the trauma
Overly negative thoughts and assumptions about oneself or the world
Exaggerated blame of self or others for causing the trauma
Negative affect
Decreased interest in activities
Feeling isolated
Difficulty experiencing positive affect
Criterion E (two required): Trauma-related arousal and reactivity that began or worsened after the trauma, in the following way(s):

Irritability or aggression
Risky or destructive behavior
Hypervigilance
Heightened startle reaction
Difficulty concentrating
Difficulty sleeping
Criterion F (required): Symptoms last for more than 1 month.

Criterion G (required): Symptoms create distress or functional impairment (e.g., social, occupational).

Criterion H (required): Symptoms are not due to medication, substance use, or other illness.



What's so crazy to think that Rose thought she was in real danger of serious injury and since has anxiety and/or nitemares about said event?

How are people handwaving what happened as impossible to cause distress?

Of course the criteria are going to be exaggerated, doctors need to sell pills. It's why we take more pills than ever. And we have more condition and deseases than ever. Hmmm...I wonder if there's a connection.

This is not a list of criteria, it's an add for selling more Paroxetine, Prozak, or Sertraline.

Unwanted upsetting memories, don't we all have those?

 

[Yossarian]

Breaking News: Conor McGregor hand delivered apology to fighters on bus...

Oh no, by watching this picture, I have now PTSD.

 

[Yossarian]

What a joke, you can post some bullshit list endorsed by a bunch of quacks but that's all it is. They have to pretend all those things are real sources of trauma to keep business rolling in.

Selling pills. Doctors are the new drug dealers. The list of criteria is going to be yuge! Whatever it takes to give you pills.

A near 70% of Americans are on prescription pills because they believe this shit.

 

[member 3289]

Trying to make amends with a freaking IG post?
An apology is done face to face or at least a phone call not some social media private message.

Conor lives in Ireland

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Chiesa and Borg made the dumbest moves possible by accepting fights shortly after the incident. Especially Borg, he could have cited a permanent eye injury and retired at Conor's expense.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Who are you to judge what causes another stress and trauma?

Come on, everyone judges that shit.

Everyone has their own standards: some people are way too hard with the "suck it up, buttercup" attitude, and a lot of people now a days act like someone's grandmother where every little thing is a life-altering trauma. Like most things, the correct response lies in the middle IMO: we need to be more caring for people who have suffered real trauma, but we should also reserve the right to roll our eyes and mutter "what a fucking pussy" when some snowflake tries to claim PTSD because their crush turned them down for a date or they got caught farting in class.

To clarify though, I don't agree with OP's stance on Rose. Although I think this isolated incident is a pretty lame reason to claim PTSD, I know she has a lot of past trauma that no doubt added to this breakdown.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Like most things, the correct response lies in the middle IMO:

A common fallacy.
Argument to moderation - Wikipedia

 

[Rambo John J]

But that was the point worth focusing on.
I was unaware that is breaking some technical rule of discussion.
*edit* I'll edit my previous post to make it more clear. Beyond that I can't help you.

I don't want or need you to help me understand your position or argument...I am staying out of fighters business...I know who the criminal was in this case and I know who the victims are...crystal clear
thanks

 

[Ted Williams' head]

A common fallacy.
Argument to moderation - Wikipedia

What's the fallacy called where people link to fallacies that don't apply to the conversation as some kind of de facto KO punch to win an argument?

"is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth must be found as a compromise between two opposite positions."

I did not assert that the truth MUST be found in the middle, I simply asserted that the truth/best solution usually falls somewhere in between two extremes - not something I consider to be a controversial claim. There are situations where an extreme solution is necessary - I never disputed this.

You're a doctor and I flunked out of University and went to trades school - I shouldn't have to explain this to you.